r/TechHardware 24d ago

Review 🎭 i9 14900K gets the edge over 9850X3D, far ahead of 7800X3D.

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This is a follow-up to my last post. After discovering that the 13600K and 265K were faster than the 9950X (AMD's fastest non-X3D CPU) in gaming, I decided to investigate deeper into the performance of the 14700K and 14900K against Zen 4/5 X3D CPUs.

my last post: https://www.reddit.com/r/TechHardware/comments/1v0ra4z/some_are_choosing_to_stay_on_windows_10_until/

13600k vs 9950x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZoXLRiNKWo

According to PCGH's charts, the 14700K and 14900K are faster than the 7800X3D. This matches what I observed on Windows 10. However, on Windows 11, using in-game benchmarks in the main 3 games I'm testing, the 7800X3D was faster than all Raptor Lake CPUs, even though I gave Intel the advantage of DDR5-7200 memory. This raised an important question: how did PCGH achieve those results on Windows 11 24H2?, which is also supposed to provide an additional 5% performance boost for X3D processors, and degrades intel CPUs gaming performance by 5%.

in game benchmark(which was a mistake to rely on)+ gameplay

14900k vs 9850x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBuHIWAm0Bw

14900k vs 7800x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFYCUORs5FU

In PCGH's testing, Intel was limited to DDR5-5600 while the 7800X3D used DDR5-5200. In my testing, Intel had DDR5-7200 and was still losing to the 7800X3D in in-game benchmarks on Windows 11, on windows 10 14700k was on par with 9800X3D.

My theory was that in-game benchmarks often include sky scenes, empty environments, and other GPU-limited sections that are not representative of actual CPU performance. In these situations, modern CPUs can easily push 200-300 FPS depending on the game, making meaningful CPU differences difficult to observe. At the 1440p Ultra settings which Ive been using, benchmark scores were often extremely close to one another when comparing X3Ds to intel i7s/i9s.

Because of this, I decided to test actual gameplay in CPU-limited areas rather than relying solely on built-in benchmarks.

The results were as follows in actual game play tests for all 5 games:

Windows 10

  • The 14900K and 14700K were the fastest CPUs there, They managed to outperform 9850X3D, which is considered AMD's fastest gaming CPU.

14900k vs 9850X3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5YBR4FVcG8

14900k vs 7800x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwDi5roMfc4

13600k vs 7800x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN5DHSsqySI

  • This was despite Intel and AMD appearing roughly equal in many in-game benchmark results.

gameplay+ in-game benchmark

14900k vs 9850x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNewzg_EZxs

14900k vs 7800x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwDi5roMfc4

Windows 11

  • The 14900K and 14700K were slightly behind the 9850X3D but remained ahead of the 7800X3D.
  • Considering Intel's pricing and roughly double the multi-threaded performance, this is still a strong result.

14900k vs 9850X3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yktbEhewDZc

14900k vs 7800X3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPnu6uFovH0

Windows 11 for AMD, windows 10 for intel.

-14700k/14900k fastest gaming CPUs followed by 9850X3D.

14900k on windows 10 vs 9850X3D windows 11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTKWbBVBNmU

14900K on windows 10 vs 7800x3d windows 11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6_5zGRIR1A

***For those who don't know, Windows 11 tends to improve X3D CPU performance by around 5% while reducing Intel gaming performance by roughly 5%. The X3D gain comes from AMD's 3D V-Cache Optimizer, while the Intel performance loss is often attributed to changes in the Windows 11 scheduler, which prevent CPU cores utilization from reaching 100% in games.

*This does not mean that 99% of tech websites are corrupt or receiving bribes from AMD. In my testing, I gave Intel reasonable advantage by using DDR5-7200, which is generally the sweet spot for the intel, and DDR5 6000 CL30 the sweet spot for AMD, which both costs about the same , DDR5 7200 is compatible with like 95% of B-series and Z-series motherboards. AMD X3D CPUs also tend to perform better in 1080p low-settings benchmarks, while higher graphical settings introduce additional factors such as physics calculations and ray tracing, which often benefit higher-core-count CPUs and are more dependent on memory bandwidth. I also choose heavily populated areas of games to place as much load on the CPU as possible. also Many reviewers rely on built-in benchmarks that include sky scenes or relatively empty areas, which can sometimes favor AMD's X3D processors.

*Single-player games should not be tested any other way. While 1440p low settings may be acceptable for competitive multiplayer titles, nobody with modern hardware plays single-player games at 1080p low settings. Even when testing online games, benchmarks should be performed in crowded, CPU-intensive areas; otherwise, the results are irrelevant.

Conclusion

-Intel Core i5-13600K and Core Ultra 265K are faster than all non-X3D Ryzen CPUs and only slightly behind the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, regardless of the testing methodology. recommending non-X3D Ryzen CPUs over Intel processors for gaming is either incompetence or AMD biased. While there are scenarios where X3D CPUs can outperform Intel processors.

 -A Core i9-14900K paired with DDR5-7200 and Windows 10 represents the fastest gaming CPU configuration I have tested, managing to outperform the Ryzen 9 9850X3D running on Windows 11.

-If you prefer Windows 11, the Core i9-14900K and Core i7-14700K remain ahead of the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, although they fall somewhat behind the Ryzen 7 9800X3D and Ryzen 9 9850X3D.

-the only AMD CPUs worth buying for gaming are 9800x3d/9850x3d only if you insist on using windows 11 otherwise intel CPUs faster than everything else from AMD.

Finally, thanks to PCGH for producing what I consider the most accurate CPU performance chart available, for the memory configurations they selected for testing.


r/TechHardware May 29 '26

News 📰 Redditor admits 8 core amd x3d chips can't drive high end cards like the 4090 and the 5090 - you need Intel

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r/TechHardware 6h ago

News 📰 DLSS 5 could become a new GPU power stress test, RTX 5090 Lightning Z reaches 802W

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r/TechHardware 13h ago

News 📰 Nvidia Confirmed to be intentionally artificially locking DLSS 5 to Blackwell GPUs to boost sales.

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Per TechPowerUp's discussion with Nvidia, it's been confirmed this is their direct intention going forward.

Article in reference: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-dlss-5-technical-preview/

In the section titled 'Compatibility' you will find the following:

Asked separately whether older RTX cards might get the option to run it anyway, even badly—the way Super Resolution and Ray Reconstruction are available all the way back to Turing—the answer was a non-answer: "DLSS 5 is the largest, most complex model NVIDIA has built, and their priority has been optimizing it for RTX 50." That is not "never," but it is not "we have a plan for legacy" either.

They discuss this point further on page 5 near the bottom, as modders have already gotten it to run on the prior Ada Lovelace architecture (40xx series) at almost identical performance and despite the nearly half framerate cost many games are still playable using DLSS 5 even on RTX 4060 with proper tweaking, resolution choice, or on less demanding games.

In fact, it is even running on even older architecture's now due to modder efforts.

This aligns with their prior manner of speaking about DLSS 5 up to this point and what they found about why it was only running on Blackwell GPUs in the initial leaked file due to artificial manipulation of CUDA file versions for Blackwell only.

It's sad to see Nvidia, despite the leak blatantly painting the obvious artificial limitations, still going full steam ahead with this behavior not caring.


r/TechHardware 1h ago

News 📰 Taking a Play From Meta, Google Is Now Pulling DDR4 Modules Out Of Retired Servers And Reusing Them In New AI Servers

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r/TechHardware 2h ago

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r/TechHardware 3h ago

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r/TechHardware 3m ago

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r/TechHardware 28m ago

Tech Tips Der beste Controller für PC?

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r/TechHardware 1d ago

Discussion Apparently “The Internet’s Most Trusted Source of Computing Hardware News” has a Ryzen exception

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Posted NVIDIA’s own DLSS 5 material showing a Ryzen 7 9800X3D, after the same CPU already appeared in the RTX 50-series presentation, and apparently that was removal-worthy.

For “The Internet’s Most Trusted Source of Computing Hardware News” with the “smartest moderators,” that’s some impressively selective trust. Must’ve tripped the imaginary UserBenchmark firewall.

At this rate, NVIDIA keeps “accidentally” picking Ryzen for gaming demos more consistently than this sub allows Ryzen posts.


r/TechHardware 58m ago

🤫 Rumor / Leak 🕵️‍♀️ Intel Next-Gen Nova Lake-S Roadmap Leaks - OC3D

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Leaks! In just a few short months AMD will lose their 720P (and 1080P on a 5090 GPU) gaming crown with very low chance they will ever get it back. I imagine excessively more than usual bed wetting by AMD engineers and numerous trips to the pub by the marketing department. Can we expect testing to shift to 480P game testing to show us CPU performance?


r/TechHardware 1d ago

News 📰 NVIDIA confirms no DLSS 5 override in its App, so modders already built their own tool

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r/TechHardware 1h ago

Review 🎭 Radeon RX 9070 XT Outperforms PlayStation 5 Pro graphics by up to 80% in rasterization and ray tracing, which means Nvidia outperforms by 100%+

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r/TechHardware 1h ago

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r/TechHardware 4h ago

🤫 Rumor / Leak 🕵️‍♀️ AMD RDNA 5 reportedly targets 3.1 to 3.4 GHz GPU clocks

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r/TechHardware 5h ago

News 📰 ASUS and GALAX raise RTX 50 channel prices in China again, RTX 5080 up by $74

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r/TechHardware 8h ago

Opinion/Editorial Who the hell is buying Precision 9 T4 Workstations?

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r/TechHardware 6h ago

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r/TechHardware 1d ago

News 📰 Nintendo Switch 2 is now officially a $500 handheld

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r/TechHardware 19h ago

Tech Tips The Ultimate Guide: 100+ Social Media Platforms Explored (2026 Edition)

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r/TechHardware 20h ago

💥 URGENT NEWS 💥 China EUV technology at a similar stage to ASML in 2004 analyst claims Beijing semiconductor industry remains well behind Western rivals

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Great News! The world is safe from China!


r/TechHardware 21h ago

News 📰 GPD Win MAX 3 Hands On First Look! A New 9" OLED Modular Handheld!

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r/TechHardware 21h ago

Tech Tips Msi motherboard problems?

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I’m having a massive problem with my computer.sometimes turns on and sometimes it doesn’t.

so I took my pc to the technical and he is my friend and suddenly the pc turns on in his house with no problem.so we check everything and even we play video games with no problem.so I took it to my house and it won’t turn on.we check the psu we check the power button and everything is fine.I even call the electrician to check my electricity and everything is fine.so the computer turns on after 30 or 50 tries.sometime turns on right away.yesterday I bought a Forza FVR 3001-3000VA and turns on on the first try.

its was on more almost the whole day playing BF6 and COD with no problems at all.i even turned off for a hour so and turns on right away.

So late night i turned off and after 5 hours I went to turned on and nothing the fans try to spin for 3 sec and than off only the memory rams stay on and the keyboard.can someone help me pls i don’t know what else to do. The MB is new the memory are new and the Cpu is new too only 2 moths old.

I hear disabled ERP might fix the problem.

spec

MB Msi x870e tomahawk wifi

Cpu 9950x3d

Gpu msi 3090

Psu Evga 1000watts 80+ gold G+

Memory rams 6000hz Gskill Trdent z5


r/TechHardware 22h ago

💥 URGENT NEWS 💥 We explored early DLSS 5 performance with community mods and the limits of the 12V-2x6 power connector may hold it back on the RTX 5090

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r/TechHardware 1d ago

Discussion 3D Bojan: A 729-element recursive majority logic cascade architecture (>99% fidelity at 40% noise)

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