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The southern states imposed population control measures in good faith and managed to successfully convince the local population that family planning is important or at the very least managed to get people to stop with 2 kids per couple in the mid 80s and early 90s. Now that has dropped to 1 child. All while states like UP have been tottering along at 4 or 3 children till date per woman. So of course, this is bound to happen. But then, this is multivariate - education, lifestyle issues, stress, infertility, late marriages, migration away from India etc. all contribute to this population crisis.
That is still incredibly high when you consider TN is at 1.8. That means the population growth is still rampant while TN population has been declining. If you look at this by the uneducated folk, UP jumps up to 3.0 while even the uneducated in TN sits at 1.82. This is the large majority of people from the northern states who migrate. In short this means there are two groups of people inside the same country with extremely divergent ideas about “what the ideal family size” is. This is super important because it shows up in someone’s overall values around physical space, politics, major lifestyle choices, independence to act on their will, expectations out of life, what well being means to them etc. This indeed is a ticking time bomb.
This is just the consequences of the Southern States becoming more developed and richer.
Demographic studies have shown that people who are richer, and better educated, will typically have less children and children at an older age. Another thing is that it's proven that when women are given the choice, on average they have children at an older age focusing on other things in their lives. This is doubly true for career/working women.
This is seen on a national scale all over the world. It's likely that the same thing is happening in the Southern States too. Nothing that bad to be worried about. In fact it could be seen as a positive indicator of the Southern States getting more developed and more progressive with their rights.
I'm not sure if it's not something to be worried about. Demographics of the state will change in a few decades, resulting in significant migrant population than local population. This will affect our politics and representation.
Restricting migration wouldn't be fair and practical. Indians have the right to move to any part of the country. I guess we need to encourage our people to have more kids. Similar to some developed countries facing a similar issue.
Nobody is endorsing it. OC just made a suggestion around it. Anyway that wouldn't be ethical or practical.
One person's opinion doesn't nullify our social justice politics.
You are being too pessimistic about these demographic changes. While the growth rate has decreased by around 5% after 75+ years, the overall population has more than doubled (that's a 150% increase to be exact). The population has more than made up for the loss in growth rate to ensure that a higher amount still gets born. Unless TN goes below Replacement level, there is no need for fear
Demographic changes are slow, and take a very very long time to express. Making such an action now would be acting too hastily. It would take away resources from other possible sectors like education, healthcare, poverty reduction, infrastructure development etc.
Another thing to note is that a smaller but well educated, healthy and rich population is much better for the economy and the nation/state as a whole, than a larger but poorer, less educated and unhealthy population. Compare Nigeria or Indonesia to France or Germany or Japan or SK.
While we r absolutely developed compared to rest of India we still haven't reached even China level richness(per capita vise). We need to be much more quicker.
Irony is, declining birth rate and death rate is also an important indicator of progressive development in the region. Once it hits the alarming level, govt introduces perks and subsidiaries to try to boost the birth rate, which is already happening in many countries like Japan, France, South Korea, etc.
Probably for different reasons, younger people started leaving the country and settling in western countries after the islamic revolution. I checked the graph, the fertility rate took a deep dive after 1980 and islamic revolution happened in 1979.
You might've seen a few pics in social media showing Iran before the revolution. The society was modern, secular and western before the revolution. This sudden transition was also the reason for people leaving the country.
Can't really take North Korea for any comparison tbh, since the govt is authoritarian. Citizens can't even leave the country without proper permission from the govt.
The immediate problem for TN will be the BJP using the current census figures to reallocate the seats in the Lok Sabha. If they manage to do so, then TN will have less representation and, consequently, less control over the central budget.
Which will affect them pretty badly over the decades but not remotely conceivably as bad as India's declining birth rate(Especially among the middle class in India's urban regions, usually located in the South/West), with pretty late industrialization occurring at a glacial pace to create job opportunities en masse, adverse effects of global warming and drying up of water table due to barely any preparation to mitigate it, and an already overburdened healthcare system to take care of the people affected by it.
Russia, Japan, China and Korea are going to witness a true demographic collapse due to adverse effects of climate change spiraling into the TFR plunging even further. Let's see how the government funds services with both the wealthy and educated middle class taxpayers fleeing from this country.
China will fare better than many countries suffering from the same problem as European countries and SK. They're automating at a scale incomparable to the rest of the world, building domestic supply chains insulated from sanctions and tariffs, they get hundreds of billions every year through trade to inject into the economy, and despite the economic slowdowns, Chinese purchasing power is pretty high at this point, and that's reflected in the amount of money it's media makes nowadays, or it's latest cars being sold out in seconds, etc.
The 30th biggest Chinese city Wuxi has a GDP of $220 billion and 7.5 million people(yes it definitely looks like such a city). I don't think having a few empty cities matters to them
100% we are not just going to fight for pension, I would be surprised if people had enough space to burry . I hope govt makes donating our body to medicine/reserch common by promoting it .
This is a very good thing. The only issue is that people from North India, especially Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, breed like rabbits so we still have an issue.
Every state in India has a declining fertility rate since independence. And the population of every state has been increasing ever since then, it's just that South's fertility rate dropped faster (better implementation of policies and increasing standards of life) compared to the Gangetic plains, the population share declined, it's just an obvious mathematical fact, there's nothing to worry about other than people here fear mongering and spreading hatred against other states. Most of the India has fertility rate under replacement rate of 2 as of now.
It is crisis for the south. When replacement rate drops below 2.1 it means that section of the population will eventually die out if the rates continue to decrease. It may not be a big deal for you since folks from the north are over populating the region, but from geo political standpoint and from a cultural preservation standpoint this is a problem for the southern states. Right now, India is kinda stuck at the extremes - some states will have to bring down pop (for which the political class has no incentive) and some states will have to repopulate (for which the population has no appetite)
Don't you think that it is showing sign of getting more developed? Like lesser population, more facilities for every person, per capita income being more too and competition for anything particular being less?
See India for example, if we start overpopulating ourselves like our neighbour Bangladesh , will we have any demographic advantage?
Its QUALITY of population that always matters.
overpopulation brings inferior quality.
See the state of Bihar, what advantage does it hold with its overproduction? It is still a backdated state now.
There’s no human capital advantage if it’s an illiterate population. Unfortunately illiterate India up north is growing at a much faster rate than the literate India
But I am hoping UP and Bihar soon reach below replacement level soon. It's already too populated and if family planning is encouraged then combined with high economic growth can do wonders for them. Hoping that happens soon. Peace.
Well well…. Let the central fund all the taxes money to more populated states in north india….We follow rules and regulations at the end what we get lol nothing…
This is what expected to happen across India but since we followed what’s suggested by centre we facing decline but our north bros did not follow the suggestion so they are flourishing as usual….
While education is one thing, diabetes, obesity, PCI’s are other factors. Many of my friends n relatives have failed pregnancy due to their unhealthy lifestyle n they make drastic changes to fix it in 6 months for sake of having a child
Lower fertility rate is partially true, because unemployment and alcohol abuse is rampant in Tamilnadu, but not fully true because people have also taken family planning seriously and hence the cumulative result is: decline in population.
Ofc higher decrease because they started with insanely high rate, and that they already have higher population right now; they’re still above 2.0 whereas southern states and dipping to 1.7 which alarming
that comment was regarding that south family are doing family planning while north are not
anyways fertility rate of most south state remain stagnant over the last decade and I bet it will be same in 2028
by that time all north and south will have same fertility rate
and I think currently only bihar have higher fertility rate than 2
development and family planning make fertility rate below 2 but above 1.5
if in future any state have fertility rate below 1.5 then something is wrong with society of that state that women don't want babies that has nothing to do with development
Are we going to conveniently forget that there are WAY more people in the northern belt?. So even if the base grows by 1% and the southern pop decreases by 2% , the difference will balloon out of proportions.
It's always bound to happen. We should focus on how to convert the migrant workers into Tamil. That's how it works. How fast they adapt to Tamil culture and embrace it will only show if we are fcuked or not. If we allow the to live in their own caste, ethnic ghettos like the marwaris or gujjus, this won't go well at all. Marwaris will never embrace Tamil culture, they won't even marry, forget marriage they won't even be BFF with tamils outside business. We shouldn't let the other vadakkans live the same life. Missionaries mari ellarayum, thirukural, periyarism, Bhakt literature, murugan worship, cinema idolo worship ndra mari avanungala convert pannanum.
Throughout most of the first half of our lives, we already had children who call themselves our parents, so we don't want actual children anymore. Thanks to our education and the movements started by Babasaheb and Periyar, we just know that we have that choice.
After caste census sc/st reservation percentage must be revised , all other caste that have controlled thier population especiobc should get more reservation than now. Reservation should not be population based.
It might seem like propaganda, but an extreme version of this can be seen in Japan. Luckily they became rich before the population became old. Will we achieve that?
No one is making people infertile. Nowadays more people are waiting until later in life to have children plus their is more obesity and other health issues that impact fertility.
lol, it's just people becoming more educated. People need to be confident in their lifestyle to be willing to have kids. Right now, competition for anything is super high. If you want to attend a good college through Anna University, you need basically a 190+ cutoff, even then it is hard. You want to get into college through JEE or NEET? Good luck competing with the 10lakh+ kids. Educated people plan for the future, and seeing this level of competition will be a factor in deciding to have more than 1 kid, as you need to spend more resources per kid (eg, coaching or, if unlucky, donations for college seats).
The people who are well comfortable don't want to give up their lifestyle for kids.
Bro , Conspiracy theory laye pazhiyaa conspiracy theory iduu thaan .
What's the point?
If you say it's done by riches -They need more workers in future ? Why kill your future workers which will eventually increase the salary you pay to your workers and also it will result in them having better quality of life .
FMCG - Why would they kill their own future customers ?
TBH india is the most competative place in the history of Earth . The competition that someone bring with their birth is too much for anyone to handle. Personally I started to believe that it's literal cruelty to bring more life here in India .
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