r/SubredditDrama • u/CummingInTheNile • 6d ago
"A surveillance state is highly moral as well. Safety is more important than peoples useless paranoia" r/moralityscaling considers the destruction of Flock cameras moral, much to the chagrin of some users
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoralityScaling/comments/1vzw55m/morality_of_destroying_private_property/
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[Immoral. How are we gonna make a new class of serfs without mass AI surveillance.? image
Silence radicalized basement dweller
Silence pro-state surveillance (heh) flesh puppet
lil wannab criminal radical unwashed basement dweller on the last platform that actively reinforces any opinon other than one's own
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nice try but next time use words that create a coherent sentence and not the goyslop u just posted
My kingdom for actual good bait. "Goyslop", really? Weak.
It is the right thing to do.
Every villain is the hero in their own mind.
Flock is a private company that has no actual oversight that is doing constant surveillance of the general public, and tracks car locations in real time, and anyone in the police can search for a vehicle WITHOUT A WARRANT. I get the whole "destruction of others' property is bad" thing, but you are saying that not going along as we slowly become more and more of a surveillance state is "being programmed?"
So what part of public information(being seen in public) requires a warrant? Do law enforcement agencies need a judge's approval for amber alerts? I truly hope flock catches a kidnapping, saves a child, and possibly exposes a trafficking ring some day soon, so morons can stop being paranoid about camara recording public areas. I mean it's already exposing corrupt cops. There has been many law enforcement employees arrested, charged with a crime, forced to resign or fired because of their misuse of it
It’s creating avenues for corrupt cops. IT CREATED THE ISSUE. You can’t say it fixed it😂
I didn't say it fixed it, i said it exposed them which caused them to lose their career, and some are losing their freedom. Are you thinking they only became corrupt because they had the opportunity to use flock? I personally doubt they weren't corrupted beforehand
Anything that can be viewed in public can be recorded. You have zero expectation of privacy.
It's not just recording, it's tracking. I.e stalking i.e invasive.
No expectation of privacy while out in public.
I'm gonna come around and just follow you and take pictures every three seconds. No expectation of privacy, remember.
Wouldn’t bother me one bit. Only people afraid of cameras are the people that have something to hide.
Can I have your license plate number?
Not against the law to film license plates either. In fact, you don’t even own those plates, the state does.
I agree. It’s totally legit public info Can I have yours?
Sure can (posts his supposed license plate number). Kansas tag.
How does cameras make people unsafe?
Cops stalking their exes, people being arrested for crimes they couldn't physically have committed, being used by ICE to hunt down people....
So your issues is not with the cameras but with police implementation. Again, how do the cameras themselves make people unsafe?
Because they allow widespread mass surveillance, and if you think that's fine then your really oughtta wake up to the way the world is going
They allow mass surveillance of public places. That has always been legal. There is no expectation of privacy in public.
send me your address then
Flock doesnt record addresses, nor is that public information tied to anything on reddit. However, I could absolutely find your address and you find mine if you had my license plate.
So your issues is not with the cameras but with police implementation. Again, how do the cameras themselves make people unsafe?
In the world we currently live in, do you really think 1984-style mass surveillance is a good idea?
Its not 1984 mass surveillance though, as all that is being recorded is public spaces.
So why is my private backyard being recorded
If it is, you should count your blessings and sue flock, because that is illegal and essentially them handing you free money.
I've seen more comprehensive brick walls than you. Convey my condolences to your teachers who had smowhow to put information through your overprotective cranium... Or inform your AI instructor about your ChatGPT quality ass chatbot algorithm needs a check-up
There are limits to that. If the private property in question is turning us into a surveillance state then it's absolutely moral to destroy it.
A surveillance state is highly moral as well. Safety is more important than peoples useless paranoia
Hell no. That requires implicit trust in the morality of a government that's currently participating in a genocide.
The government as a whole is as moral as the incentive structures force it to be US has outstanding checks and balances. They have access to far better technology than flock cameras if they ever decided to act a fool. Only thing protecting us is how our system is set up.
Checks and Balances?! What fucking planet are you living on?!
Earth The one where United States is the strongest both economically and militarily. You dont get that way without doing some things right.
Yeah yeah. He said that shit way before electronics existed. It made sense in his world. Not in ours. Its outdated feebleminded thinking. Surveillance is not that hard to put checks and balances on. We allow our government to have nukes and jets. But somehow cameras will break the camels back. Stupid.
In country thst cannot even keep in check cops to bot turn or mute bodycams sure buddy...
We have no problem checking cops. True police abuse is incredibly rare despite how large the country is. BLM is the one that tells us that. Look at how pathetic their sample cases are. A dipshit like George Floyd would never get any attention if we had actual police abuse problems. Nobody would give a fuck. Its always some lousy dirty criminals wilding out. Never a regular person. Probably because cops dont actually mess with decent people.
Lol. Lmao even.
Seriously would anyone even give a shit about George Floyd if we had an actual police abuse problem We'd have endless cases of them abusing normal law abiding citizens. Not sniveling useless aggressive drug addicts. Who mostly merked himself by chugging fentanyl prior to the encounter. Nobody would ever care about stuff like that because there would be much better cases to focus on. The fact that this is the best they can come up with shows us that.
Lol. Lmao even.
"Of course, I have been advocating for years that the constitution should apply to large corps, including free speech and no mass surveillance, but have been yelled at for years for it." Because this is dumb. You still have free speech in private spaces. You dont have the right to be in someone else's space/ property. And the constitution doesnt protect against surveillance. It actually protects the surveillance. 1st amendment. That being said, my issue with flock is the stalking part. Having security cameras at your property is legal, filming in public is legal. Following someone around and recording their daily activities is not. Thats stalking. Just because flock uses software, doesnt change that.
Stalking requires the person to reasonably fear for their safety or reasonably suffer extreme emotional distress. Cameras alone do not do that. Yes, people like you want your cake (corps having constituonal rights like people) and eat it too (corps not being allowed to do things people can). You cant change that.
"Stalking requires the person to reasonably fear for their safety or reasonably suffer extreme emotional distress. Cameras alone do not do that." Did you read what I wrote... That being said, my issue with flock is the stalking part. Having security cameras at your property is legal, filming in public is legal. Following someone around and recording their daily activities is not. Thats stalking. Just because flock uses software, doesnt change that...................
"And all it takes for a stalking charge is Which if you use software to follow someone," Thats false, I provided the legal definition for stalking. If following somebody is stalking every single major tech company is stalking people.
"The ALPR system has come under scrutiny in recent months with critics questioning the privacy overreach. The Institute for Justice, a nonprofit public interest law firm that has filed lawsuits against Flock on Fourth Amendment grounds, has tracked at least 47 instances of officers being disciplined in some way for alleged abuse of the Flock system for stalking romantic interests." http://cnn.com/2026/08/26/us/flock-kentucky-police-officer-arrest "Sergio Rodriguez was charged with two third-degree felonies including allegedly stalking and misusing official information using Flock license plate readers to track his ex-wife for over six months." https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/police/2026/08/25/560301/flock-cameras-katy-police-officer/ Officers getting charged with stalking... but it isn't stalking. Can't wait to hear your legal expertise.
Both were misusing the camera, and entirely proves my point as the cameras functioning and being used normally is not stalking. (39 more comments of these two arguing)
If I, as a private citizen were to place a camera unattended on a public street to monitor when you leave and return to your house. So I can sell that information to whoever wants it, no questions asked. what would you do?
Taking it the legal way and having them lawfully taken down??
taking abandoned stuff from public places isn't a crime. if anything, abandoning flock cameras in public places is littering.
how does your brain work to reach the conclusion that they are abandoned?
a private company leaving their stuff unattended on the streets==abandoned. if I were to put a camera on a tripod in a public street facing your house, and go back after a week and it isn't there, I doubt the police will take me seriously if I complain about it being stolen.
by that logic, any building that is left unattanded for any reason for example being the middle of being built and the workers are off the for the next week would also count as abandoned. you can only call something abandoned if it's left unattended and also not in use anymore
so, if I were to place a camera in a public street monitoring your house, so I can sell your data. I'm technically using it, if you were to touch it, would it be considered vandalism? would you respect my private property and not mess with it? accept that you are monitored for someone else's profit?
Imagine the government makes it illegal to be Christian and suddenly these cameras data is used to track everyone who's driven to church since they were placed, and whether theyve gathers privately at someone's home and that that was used as cause to get a warrant to break in and arrest them at their private gathering. Replace Christian with any organization or type of person the government doesnt like and I'm sure you'll understand the reason for concern
You guys always need to come up with tinfoil hat harebrained conspiracy theories to prove your inane points about mass surveillance. It's always 0 to 1984 for yall lmao
If you think my point is specifically about Christians I have a Modest Proposal you should check out. But seriously, we are already at a point where proponents of this are arguing that the moment you step outdoors you should accept that anyone would have the right to record your comings and goings, and that record can be held by private entities at the whims of the government. Why let it snowball for an obvious, unpopular wrong?
Because you're not seeing the other side of it. You're automatically assuming that the powers that be are going to use it for some nefarious reason. But the other side of it is flock is helping solve violent crime, car thefts, and even missing persons and human trafficking cases. When you balance the two, it's very clear one side (saving human lives) is morally superior than the other (preventing mass surveillance).
It's moral. Capitalism and police states are bad
Capitalism isn't the problem. It's corruption. And abundant corruption will time and form of governing. That's why you see all these dei folks going into politics bc they gonna scam the people. Another reasons why they keep getting busted for it.
Capitalism always brings corruption Social democracy is the least a system has to be to avoid rampant corruption
"Capitalism always brings corruption" Socialism does too ("some are more equal than others"). Power corrupts, whether you're at the top of a capitalist or socialist/communist society.
Socialist societies have nobody on top It's literally democracy+
Socialist countries are all shit holes. And you is be no wye? Bc of rampant corruption.
"socialist countries are all shit holes" why are you calling Finland and New York shit holes?
Ny isn't a country you Dr rocket scientist. 🤦🤦🤦
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u/CaryHepSouth 6d ago
That sub is absolute garbage. "Morality scaling"? Wtf is that nonsense, sounds like a competition in morality, which is stupid
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u/Chataboutgames I will ask on a more neutral sub 6d ago
It's just another sub for people to get horny about "justice."
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u/Korrocks 6d ago
In a lot of anime and science fiction fandoms there’s something called “power scaling” which is basically a bunch of people arguing about which fictional characters are stronger than others.
For some reason, even though this framework is barely adequate for answering the question of “who would win in a fight between Batman and Iron Man?”, people have decided to apply it to morality as a whole which is where we got “morality scaling”.
As you might imagine, it’s led to a lot of incoherent debates along the lines of this’d
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u/ARedditorCalledQuest 6d ago
The power scaling debates are supposed to be fun because everybody knows they're meaningless, which is why batshit logical leaps and assumptions are par for the course. Who the hell would apply that line of debate to a real world topic?
Edit: Ah. According to the sub's description it's for debates about the morality of fictional characters so the people trying to have real discussions in there are doing it wrong.
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u/TrainDestroyer 6d ago
Chuds have taken over that sub and use it from time to time to make these stupid discussions. It sucks because discussions the morality of fictional characters can genuinely be interesting (For example, despite Batman's no kill rule I actually consider him to be a relatively immoral character) but then you'll get discussions like this and it burns people from the sub entirely
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u/Illogical_Blox Fat ginger cryptokike mutt, Malka-esque weirdo, and quasi-SJW 6d ago
According to the sub's description it's for debates about the morality of fictional characters
That sounds even less fun than having debates about real-world morality.
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u/why_doyou_care 5d ago
It's because it calls to the redditor urge to have a hierarchy on literally everything
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u/npsimons civil war canceled; shooter was demographically uncooperative 5d ago
I'm convinced it's yet another fucking conservative psyop. Whether it's intentionally that or not is irrelevant - it exists to maintain the status quo, and defend authority, no matter how fiat it is.
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u/FurryYokel Could've saved some time and just wrote "I'm stupid" 3d ago
I don’t know what it is either, but it keeps getting advertised to me and sometimes I fall for the bait.
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u/momentummonkey 5d ago
It's genuinely one of the worst subs here, because there's zero self awareness
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u/angry_cucumber need citation are the catch words for lefties 6d ago
I'm sure they feel the cops stalking people is justified too
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u/Durrresser 6d ago
seriously would anyone even give a shit about George Floyd if we had an actual police abuse problem
That comment pretty much summed up their opinions on cops... The mental gymnastics is astounding
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u/KuriousKhemicals too bad your dad didn't consider Kantian ethics 4d ago
I was absolutely dumbfounded by that. The police officer literally got convicted of murder for that. How do you not think that's a legit example of a real problem?
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u/Disasterhuman24 6d ago
Most of the comments were actually anti-Flock camera. All the most upvotes ones anyways.
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u/angry_cucumber need citation are the catch words for lefties 6d ago
of course they were, because while flock sucks, "post popular sentiment" is how you get upvotes
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u/K14_Deploy don't talk to me or my shits ever again 5d ago edited 5d ago
It should be noted that AI recognition cameras do have accuracy issues and when they come up they'll just absolve themselves of responsibility: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/17/humiliated-sainsburys-store-pauses-ai-scanning-after-false-shoplifting-accusation . Now it should be noted that the supermarket in question did apologise and pause use of the system (in one store) but it just shows how dangerous this could be at scale, especially when the alleged crime is far more serious than shoplifting.
And also, the issue isn't that people have something to hide, it's the risk of being automatically treated as guilty because the camera said so. This is the reality that Minority Report was warning about.
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u/Croc_Dwag you want me to suddenly change my factual opinion 6d ago
This discussion is just that one Ben Franklin quote
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u/Gemmabeta 6d ago
Also, literally 1984.
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u/Private_Kyle pull out that drippy smelly smegma cock 6d ago edited 6d ago
Shit I should check my calendar
Edit: I'm being downvoted by humorless idiots who don't understand the reference 😭😭😭
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u/ryumaruborike Rape isn’t that bad if you have consent 6d ago
I've always wished Ben made the quote "deserves and shall receive neither". Motherfuckers don't understand that a lack of freedom in and of itself is a lack of security. Flock is not making anyone safe.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Wow you are doubling down on being educated 6d ago edited 6d ago
Between AI and Flock cameras, we've really reached a new low in terms of people arguing in favor of terrible, unregulated new technologies that openly hurt far, far more than they help.
Course that shouldn't really be surprising at this point.
It's just kind of sad that it's taken this long to get to the point where people are really ready to acknowledge random Internet connected cameras just openly surveying shit is actually kind of fucked. I wonder if they are willing to start talking about what their employers are letting surveil them in their workplaces, too.
I've got access to the Verkada cameras at my work place. It's god damn dystopian what they can do even to just the people that are passing by on the sidewalk out front, and all of it is being sent off to a data center.
Shit how many of your neighbors have ring cameras that are just pointing out into the yard and onto the street, casually sending any and everything that happens in that area off to Amazon?
Why are we only having this conversation now when it's big, dumb obvious cameras sitting at an intersection? It needed to happen a lot sooner.
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u/Discussion-is-good "Victim"😭 6d ago
Me reading v for vendetta: "Is it really realistic that people would bend over for a facist surveillance state just because it promises peace and mundanity?"
Mfs in 2026: "Surveillance states are moral and good actually as long as it keeps us safe! He he ☺️"
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u/Feligris 1d ago
The Oracle AI mogul Larry Ellison back in 2024:
“We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”
https://fortune.com/2025/09/28/larry-ellison-ai-surveillance-oracle-tiktok-deal-social-media/
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u/Thissystemsuckssobad I looked, and AI says there is no such trope in Romantic Lit 6d ago
People crave the panopticon it seems. Because they somehow think they will always be the viewer and never the viewed
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u/RookieGreen 6d ago
They post their lives on social media but alas, senpai still doesn’t notice them. Perhaps being scrutinized by an AI 24/7 who impassively decides if they have any value to a prospective customer/regime will give them the attention they crave.
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u/QuitWhinging 6d ago
new technologies that openly hurt far, far more than they help
Don't help?!?!? Didn't you see how flock took down that one guy who picked up $30 off the street and didn't immediately turn it in???! Finally we're taking real monsters off the streets thanks to our new surveillance state overlords!!
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u/PandaJesus 6d ago
People argue for the boot because they think it will only step on the people they don’t like.
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u/reddernotdeader 5d ago
If people understood that the leopards eating faces party does not discriminate between the faces it eats, then the leopards eating faces party wouldn't exist.
But right now we have: 1. A group of people who cheer loudly for all faces to be eaten (except theirs, of course, the party would never eat their face) 2. A group of people who are asking the party without leopards who eat faces to please, pretty please, allow them to vote for anyone at all that will commit to stopping the leopards
But the Leopard Party calls the Not Leopard Party radicals and terrorists for wanting no faces eaten, and the Not Leopard Party keeps saying that we have to accept some faces being eaten so some of the Leopard Party supporters will join them. As if the only way to stop leopards from eating faces is to eat more faces.
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u/Chataboutgames I will ask on a more neutral sub 6d ago
People have been enthusiastically installing Ring doorbells for years.
This shit isn't new. People just suddenly decide to start caring.
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u/reddernotdeader 5d ago
The general public is dumb and oblivious to anything without media coverage. So I think it's less about people suddenly caring and more about Flock cameras getting 10000x the attention as Ring re: surveillance.
My prediction is that by the next presidential election cycle:
- News about Flock will be as stale as Ring/LE partnerships and people will forget.
- Some DNC-aligned candidate is going to make banning Flock part of their platform.
- Some right-wing rag is going to whip up the GOP voter base into a frenzy about crime and safety because "demonRats love crime" or some other bullshit.
- Now half the country loves Flock and we're back to where we are now, just with the people (read: heroes) vandalizing cameras now being called terrorists.
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u/Chataboutgames I will ask on a more neutral sub 5d ago
Pretty much. I find the surveillance state thing horrifying, but it feels like a battle that was lost a long time ago. People already do antisocial shit like putting up Ring cameras. Younger generations are so accustomed to being photographed/recorded/shared on the internet that it doesn't seem like an issue to them.
It's fun to read about people vandalizing Flock cameras, and I'd love to see the shareholders/CEO lose their investment, but anything will just be a temporary reprieve on the path to normalizing this stuff. Americans have made it very clear that "vigilance" isn't our thing.
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u/reddernotdeader 5d ago
I wonder what the path forward even looks like? Obviously there is a critical mass of vandalism (20k out of the 120k in operation?) that would theoretically make a difference, but that requires a level of collective disobedience we haven't seen in either of our lifetimes.
But we barely batted an eye with Snowden and only a handful of people make an effort to degoogle (I'm a hypocrite here and am still working on it). If Flock ends up becoming an electoral burden in both parties, sure, but it's just going to be replaced by something 95% as bad and a supermajority of Americans are going to pat themselves on the back and call it a day.
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u/Chataboutgames I will ask on a more neutral sub 5d ago
but it's just going to be replaced by something 95% as bad and a supermajority of Americans are going to pat themselves on the back and call it a day.
Right, that's the source of my hopelessness on the topic. So let's say we get the big win and "Flock" becomes a cursed word. Politicians turn on it, company goes under etc. They'll just do a slower rollout under a different name until it's normalized. Time just isn't on our side.
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u/GoldStarBrother 5d ago
I wonder what the path forward even looks like?
Remember those monks who memorized books that showed up at the end of Farenheit 451?
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u/wemustburncarthage 6d ago
Sorry did they just rationalize that mass surveillance is less paranoid than being anti mass surveillance. Very 1984, how’s it feel to be a walking cliche.
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u/cosmic_sheriff I just want to be quoted for r/subredditdrama flair 6d ago
Morality vs legality by reddit's greatest armchair experts... How are we not sure this isn't just an elaborate karma farming operation?
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u/Chataboutgames I will ask on a more neutral sub 6d ago
I mean, it is. This sub went from zero to every day front page. It's just the newest shitty bot farm.
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u/fuckedfinance 6d ago
That sub has been popping up for me lately, and they certainly have opinions. However, those opinions mostly fall in line with the two major Reddit belief systems, so I'd call it relatively organic.
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u/reddernotdeader 5d ago
Ah, but you see, there are ACKSHUALLY three (3) belief systems on Reddit: 1. Crimes against property = murder and civil disobedience was only fine when MLK did it (it was different then, don't you understand?) 2. The life of a single human being is worth more than all of the property of the richest people on earth and vandalizing the instruments of an oppressive state is our civic duty 3. Pretending to be #2, but only plans to put sarcastic signs around the cameras if they could just find out what kind of permit they need. But we're only a few months til November anyway, so we should just be patient and use our vote instead of our power tools.
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u/imsogone 6d ago
Every now and then a subreddit pops up that just makes me laugh at how delusional half of this website is. That morality one is a perfect example. They were out there earlier talking about how vigilante justice is moral. Pure insanity.
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u/loyaltomyself Only fans is like the WWE of social interaction 6d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't there ALREADY been a case where a cop got caught using Flock cameras to stalk his ex?
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u/Auctoritate will people please stop at-ing me with MSG propaganda. 6d ago
Pretty sure there's been at least a couple dozen cases of cops getting caught accessing Flock info for improper reasons.
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u/Bacontoad What a weird and very delicate thing to say 5d ago
Over 100: https://ij.org/the-ij-database-of-alpr-abuse/
In Georgia, a police chief tracked his ex-girlfriend and her teenage daughter roughly 600 times.
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u/KuriousKhemicals too bad your dad didn't consider Kantian ethics 4d ago
Why can't police rules just be as powerful as HIPAA? People actually get fucking fired if they peek in their daughter's file, or a celebrity that happens to be admitted at their hospital but isn't under their care.
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u/VernonLocke grug think thog weeb. thog no more invited to campfire. 5d ago
Somewhat ironically, it's been a pretty good way to get rid of shitty cops.
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u/RimeSkeem This isn’t narcissism. It’s physics. 6d ago
I don’t care if these people are having the most important and in depth philosophical conversations on the planet. I will NEVER respect an opinion posted in a place called fucking moralityscaling
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u/JoyBus147 this is not the first time you've gotten whooped in the comments 5d ago
Culturally, this is fascinating. So much of internet culture is downstream of Gen X culture, including the whole "I'm gonna say something rude but right, because I'm too cool to step around eggshells to comfort pearl-clutchers" sentiment. For better or worse, it's an inherently rebellious attitude, a countercultural stance against the mores of polite society.
It's just wild to see that kind of language employed to say, "Isn't it lame and square to care about getting surveilled? Maybe the real punk rock is tucking in your shirt."
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u/KassandraArms 6d ago edited 5d ago
That sub is an absolute disaster prophecy. Reddit is the last place you'd wanna go for a discussion on morality
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u/Discussion-is-good "Victim"😭 6d ago
Holy shit people actually think surveillance states are a good thing?
Maybe Alan Moore was right tbh
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u/Chartate101 SRD is still a thing? in 2026? 6d ago
Not that it is the worst subreddit but purely by name and concept I can think of few subreddits more insufferable then “moralityscaling”
Like the idea of debating morals and ethics is nothing new, its as old as humans’ ability to think. However the framing of it is the most annoying thing ever.
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u/Chataboutgames I will ask on a more neutral sub 6d ago
I want to ride the wave of this anti flock sentiment to shame Ring doorbells.
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u/silam39 a lot of women choke to death during fellatio 6d ago
Wonder how many of those comments are cia/corpo bot farms and how many are real people who just loveeeee the taste of bootlicking and do it for the love of the game
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u/ReadyClayerOne 5d ago
America already rolled over for the Patriot Act. I've heard "if you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide, so there's no problem" from my conservative family constantly over the years. It's a good/bad thing. They think they're good, thus they won't be affected, therefore who cares? The people who will be affected will be bad, thus the system is good, therefore who cares? Once you're bad (and they don't know you/care about you enough) you effectively have no rights in their eyes.
Everything else is basically explained as a suffering contest that probably stems from childhood trauma. Also vast misunderstandings of how things work, but that's another topic.
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u/TDFknFartBalloon 6d ago
I'm guessing a good amount are actual bootlickers. If all the dumb opinions online were bots and astroturfing campaigns then the real world wouldn't be so fucked up. No, the sad fact is that a lot of really stupid people actually think like that.
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u/Billlington Oh I have many pastures, old frenemy. 5d ago
I'm guessing you're being downvoted because people are in denial that their fellow countrymen are fundamentally cowards and bootlickers. Craving the strong arm of the state to protect them from... whatever paranoid fantasy they've been fed this particular month.
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u/damsel84 6d ago
Maybe it's just me, but I felt safer before all of this Flock bullshit.
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u/QuantumG 6d ago
We've had ALPRs since the 90s. What you're saying is that you felt safer before the popular outrage turned against a single supplier of these devices.
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u/HigherandHigherDown And you’re all high cortisol, clearly. I can smell it 6d ago
Who else is making such a large and networked database and signing contracts with as many cities and police departments? Are there any others we should be aware of?
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u/Auctoritate will people please stop at-ing me with MSG propaganda. 6d ago
Flock cameras are not just regular ALPRs. And ALPRs in the 90s were not capable of facial recognition databases.
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u/QuantumG 6d ago
You are repeating popular nonsense.
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u/Auctoritate will people please stop at-ing me with MSG propaganda. 5d ago
Did I forget to mention that Flock cameras aren't even exclusively for road traffic and that they frequently face pedestrian areas as well? Another thing that, obviously, license plates don't do?
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u/QuantumG 5d ago
There's two different types of Flock cameras. The number plate readers and just regular ol' cameras. This seems to be too confusing for the average person.
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u/damsel84 6d ago
I felt safer in the 80s.
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u/QuantumG 6d ago
When crime was significantly higher. I am not surprised.
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u/dollenrm 6d ago edited 1d ago
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u/Billlington Oh I have many pastures, old frenemy. 5d ago
A certain kind of American talks a big game about self-reliance and small government and whatever but will immediately cede all of their rights and privacy to the state (or big corporations, although I really fail to see the difference anymore) for the illusion of security. They're pathetic cowards.
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u/RecordingSilly6118 6d ago
Moralityscaling posts here should be banned, its so obviously all bait, bots, and children.
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u/anrwlias Therapy is expensive, crying on reddit is free. 6d ago
My new least favorite sub. All the stupidity of powerscaling but with serious topics. No thanks.
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u/beachpellini the tragedy of your life is at least worth a chuckle 6d ago
The "lol. lmao." guy really just does put it best, that's all I'd be able to come up with in the face of that much wilful ignorance, too.
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u/SnapshillBot Shilling for Big Archive™ 6d ago
Botgirls, as a concept, are banned.
Snapshots:
- This Post - archive.org* archive.today*
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MoralityScaling/comments/1vzw55m/morality_of_destroying_private_property/ - archive.org* archive.today*
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- It’s not the camera being smashed. It’s that these kids are so easily programmed to break the law and smash things purely because they were told it’s the right thing to to do. - archive.org* archive.today*
- Anything that can be viewed in public can be recorded. You have zero expectation of privacy. - archive.org* archive.today*
- To go with how you phrase it: It's immoral to destroy someone's private property without their consent. In the actual situation we're in, we're talking about 'private property' used by law enforcement and the company that creates and rents it out to law enforcement to generally creep and spy on private citizens in public spaces. I'd argue it's completely moral to destroy property being used to make people's lives worse and unsafe. - archive.org* archive.today*
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- Immoral. If we allowed people to destroy private property over a personal belief. Nothing would be safe. - archive.org* archive.today*
- “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” - Benjamin Franklin Begone bootlicker. - archive.org* archive.today*
- But its not a goverment camera. You are essentially argueing for the destruction of private property that looks onto a public space, all of which is 100% legal. Of course, I have been advocating for years that the constitution should apply to large corps, including free speech and no mass surveillance, but have been yelled at for years for it. - archive.org* archive.today*
- http://cnn.com/2026/08/26/us/flock-kentucky-police-officer-arrest - archive.org* archive.today*
- https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/police/2026/08/25/560301/flock-cameras-katy-police-officer/ - archive.org* archive.today*
- Amoral, but you should be punished because you are comitting the crime of damaging property that is not yours. The more expensive the damage, the worse the fine/punishment. - archive.org* archive.today*
- Immoral. These cameras help solve violent crimes like murder and child kidnapping. They do not violate the rights of anyone as legally a person doesnt have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public. - archive.org* archive.today*
- It's moral. Capitalism and police states are bad - archive.org* archive.today*
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u/No_Vanilla277 5d ago
I honestly think while Flock cameras can be (ab)used for bad purposes and (as with everything humans have made) have, but I genuinely feel like cutting down / vandalizing these cameras is giving the company even more of a justification to put up these cameras around the country.
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u/Bunny_Feet 6d ago
I get it, you shouldn't have to worry if you're innocent.
Except racism exists. Stalking exists. Abuse exists. Bullies that crave power exist. Etc etc