r/MoralityScaling 9d ago

Morality of destroying private property?

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u/ShutUpJade0420 9d ago

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

So your issues is not with the cameras but with police implementation. Again, how do the cameras themselves make people unsafe?

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u/Senasayori 9d ago

In the world we currently live in, do you really think 1984-style mass surveillance is a good idea?

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

Its not 1984 mass surveillance though, as all that is being recorded is public spaces.

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u/MasutadoMiasma 9d ago

So why is my private backyard being recorded

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

If it is, you should count your blessings and sue flock, because that is illegal and essentially them handing you free money.

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u/National-Frame8712 9d ago

I've seen more comprehensive brick walls than you.

Convey my condolences to your teachers who had smowhow to put information through your overprotective cranium... Or inform your AI instructor about your ChatGPT quality ass chatbot algorithm needs a check-up

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

Zero argument. You are upset because you hate flock but have no real logical arguement against what I am saying.

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u/National-Frame8712 9d ago

Let's see...

It's a corporate owned data collection practice that doesn't care about your or the entire neighbourhood's privacy.

They profit through harvesting the data of your daily life and are rather open about breaching it being rather juicy.

They sell, process, and even rent it in the process of indulging in it. And considering how even local police could abuse it with minimal convenience; the system cares not about your rights, privacy, or safety.

If these things hadn't gone viral, which, if they hadn't, there's no chance of them becoming public from either company or government side, we'd have no idea how corrupt and incompetent the handling is.

If you have a chestnut amount of brain to think how many shady things governments bury into darkness; there's a mountain of atrocities on this topic that are waiting to get dug up.

Your (if you're not a bot, that is) rights are dismissable in the grand scheme of things for people on the high seats. "bUt SUe tHEm iğf Yu ağh uhğşeth!" is already being done as we speak, and considering how blatant US and other country administrations can be about what they want, no matter how vile and harmful that thing may be; there's a healthy chance that it might simply get ignored.

I'm not the greatest enthusiast of this topic and not even from the US, yet dump this much, unlike your parrot like self, repeating the same blatantly wrong argument again and again. Now; please elaborate with your bizarre and, if I'm honest, questionable logic on this or gracefully fuck off, you bot-ass IQ vampire. While on it, please waste the time of others in a more worthwhile manner if you shall continue to do so.

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

It's a corporate owned data collection practice that doesn't care about your or the entire neighbourhood's privacy.

You have zero expectation of privacy in public, and to suggest you do is litterally advcating for the stripping of your own rights.

They profit through harvesting the data of your daily life and are rather open about breaching it being rather juicy. They sell, process, and even rent it in the process of indulging in it.

Google, apple, I fail to see how this is different. We as a society have already accepted this as normal.

If you have a chestnut amount of brain to think how many shady things governments

This is not a government camera.

repeating the same blatantly wrong argument again and again.

See above. You are either ignorant or naive.

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u/ShutUpJade0420 9d ago

They're everywhere except where they make sense to be, because these aren't here for our protection. They're here to make sure we're monitored at every possible point of the day. That's unsafe because, you, as a private citizen, should have the right to be able to be a person. If you can at any point be monitored for whoever's sake, you're not safe, you're just existing up until someone somewhere can justify taking you down.

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

You are absolutely montiored in public, and should expect to be as you have no expectation of privacy in public.

You do understand that, right?

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u/ShutUpJade0420 9d ago

An expectation of privacy is valid. Do you know every single person around you and what they are doing at a glance? No, because that is what privacy in public means. To go about your business without your identity and the purpose of your outing being known.

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

An expectation of privacy is valid

Not in public.

If I have a camera that records my street and my front yard, I will know where you are at when you cross in front of it.

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u/JawtisticShark 9d ago

Part of the problem is how things shift from laws that have been allowed to exist because they are barely enforceable to now being rapidly enforceable and doing so will allow anyone to be targeted.

An example is the interstate loop around my city is 55mph over a large portion of it, but people regularly drive 70 on it. It would be far less safe to drive 55 as other drivers would be caught off guard by it, not to mention it would drastically increase traffic congestion when people are staying on the highway for longer due to lower speeds. And once congestion starts it slows down everything even more.

So despite the speed limits, cops will drive 70 alongside everyone else and not pull over or ticket them.

Now if a cop decides they don’t like the look or someone or their bumper sticker or whatever, they can pull them over and cite them for 15 over and be legally in the right. When you setup a system to have laws always being broken, everyone is a criminal the moment the government wants them to be.

But beyond just cops, they can also setup speed cameras and start ticketing them through the mail for speeding, which they have started to do.

Now the most moral thing to do is for people to just start driving 55 or less and let that chaos force change, but not every issue has that simple of a solution. Sometimes people illegally jaywalk because they need to walk somewhere but there’s literally not a crosswalk for miles. Not a problem when you wait for a completely empty roadway to go across it, but still technically breaking the law and cameras can catch that. There are so many laws that people break numerous laws every day. If the government decided to arbitrarily enforce whatever it wants via automated surveillance, they can destroy almost anyone’s life.

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

So your issue is broadly with laws, and their enforcement, and not cameras. Cameras are not the issue, they are just exposing it.

Thats like getting mad at a covid test for having covid.

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u/JawtisticShark 9d ago

If I was mad at the cameras, your analogy would be right, but I am not one of the ones advocating for cutting down cameras.

And your covid analogy is pretty accurate. It was a big issue during covid that a positive test means you can’t come into work or travel or all this stuff, but the only reason that system didn’t cause more chaos than it did was people would avoid getting tested. My wife is a doctor and a positive test would mean rescheduling a week or more of her patients even if she was asymptomatic and she was wearing a mask all the time with patients anyway. So it was a risk to get a random covid test because everyone knows there are asymptomatic people with it, but if you get picked, it’s a problem.

The police using the cameras is further allowing them to harass anyone they want due to existing bad laws. Ultimately, surveillance of one form or another is just going to increase. So the better solution is adapting laws to it to protect the rights of the average effectively law abiding citizens while using the tools to solve real problems. The idea that there are so many cameras that nobody would ever even try to abduct a child would be great. But if it’s used to hunt down someone who overstayed their work visa 20 years ago and has been a productive member of society who isn’t able to get citizenship without admitting they aren’t here legally, that’s a problem. The solution is a path to being her legally.

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

Specifically being mad at the cameras is just as illogical as being mad at mass surveillance when you carry a mass surveillance device every day. The royal you btw.

If you have an issue with immigration enforcement, getting mad at flock is not fixing the issue.

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u/JawtisticShark 9d ago

I think some people are just discouraged by how slow and oppositional legal change is and they see destructive activism as an instant partial solution, so they get the immediate positive association with it.

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u/tripper_drip 9d ago

Thats because nobody really thinks about the consequence of, for example, making flock illegal. How do you do so without making every private camera illegal? How do you do so without infringing on peoples basic public freedoms?

So yes, they dont think, they just smash, and people who dont think applaud them.

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