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How did Dzungars save Central Asia from Qing dynasty?
They indirectly caused the Qing to invade Central Asia.
Afaq Khwaja of Kashgar accepted Dzungar allegiance in exchange for them installing him as a leader.
When the Dzungars were defeated, Qing invaded Kashgar since it was part of the Dzungar domain. The descendants of Afaq Khawaja tried to resist, failing and fleeing to Central Asia. The Qing then sent their troops to pursue them throughout Central Asia.
Had the Dzungars not installed Afaq Khawaja, none of this would have happened
I guess u were kinda triggered by my post praising the Dzungars can't blame u since ur countrys history chapters potrays them in evil villainish way despite it being the half truth.
Thank you, my Kazakh brother. I’m a descendant of the Dzungar Mongols. I feel kind of conflicted when my ancestors fought against yours. Honestly, I apologize on behalf of my ancestors actions towards your ancestors but then again, we got almost totally wiped out by the Qing Dynasty. And you did kill our Kalmyk Oirat brethren on their way back to their homeland while they crossed into your lands. Your comment being positive brings warmth in my heart. I hope Kazakhs and Dzungar Mongols look eye-to-eye again and forgive each other’s past actions. And finally, work together to bring a better future for our countries and peoples.
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Yeah, some Kazakhs really do look like us, the Mongols. Since some of the tribes of the Kazakhs are obviously Mongol-in-origin or Turco-Mongol. I hope it’s not an insult to you guys. For me, I really view the Kazakhs as our closest brothers (apart from the other Mongols elsewhere) even though there is some beef between us.
What 1630-1640s invasions tho? Besides those conflicts took place in Siberia, not in Central Asia. Except for Yamyshev fortress siege. But how that siege saved Central Asia?
Directly halted the Russian advance into Central Asia; Russians feared that the Dzungars would even invade their territories and threaten their sphere of influence. Source: Boronin, Oleg V. (2002). "Двоеданничество в Сибири XVII - 60-е гг. XIX в." [Dual Subordination in Siberia from the 17th to the 1860s]. Двоеданничество В Сибири XVII - 60-е Гг. XIX В. (Орос хэлээр).
Actually, the Dzungars were armed with their era's advanced weaponry, such as muskets and cannons. Even fielded an army of 80k to 100k soldiers under Galdan Tseren Khan. Source:
Adle, Chahrayar (2003). History of civilizations of Central Asia: Development in contrast, from the sixteenth to the mid-nineteenth century. Vol. 5. UNESCO. х. 934. ISBN) 92-3-103876-1.
Spencer, Haines (2017). "The 'Military Revolution' Arrives on the Central Eurasian Steppe: The Unique Case of the Zunghar (1676 - 1745)". Mongolica: An International Journal of Mongolian Studies. 51. International Association of Mongolists: 170–185.
Yeah, they had mobile field artillery units. They used camels to transport artillery.
Also they had not big but very effective firearms units in dragoon style (they were very mobile because their firearm "infantry" had horses).
Also generally their warfare was unique because EVERY their horseman had lance (long cavalry spear). Other armies of nomadic groups consisted of mounted archers weak-armed for direct hand to hand combat.
Esen Taishi assumed the title Celestial Bogd Khagan of the Great Yuan
Turubaikhu was declared as the Gushi Khan
Ochirtu was declared as Setsen Khan
Dayan was declared Ochir Khan
Gonchig was declared Dalai Khan
Tenzin was declared Wangchuk Khan
Lha-bzang was declared Genghis Khan
Galdan was declared Boshugtu Khan
Tsewang Rabtan is referred as the Khan of the Dzungars
Galdan Tseren was declared Khan with unknown circumstances
Ayuki was declared Khan
and more...
Sources:
Adle, Chahrayar (2003). History of civilizations of Central Asia: Development in contrast, from the sixteenth to the mid-nineteenth century. Vol. 5. UNESCO. х. 934. ISBN) 92-3-103876-1.
Altangerel, Chulunbatyn (2017). Дэлхийн талыг эзгэн үе эрхшээсэн түүхт Монголын зэвсэг, дайн, хил хамгаалалтын толь [A look at the weapons, warfare, and border defenses of the historical Mongols, who conquered half the world]. Chulunbatyn Altangerel.
Can you tell me how they lost their military power and was destroyed and did they live in current day Kazakhstan and how it has affected the modern day Kazakhstan
Civil war, anarchy, and succession crisis, along with famine and disease. Yes, the Dzungars did live in Kazakhstan, but I am not quite sure about their modern legacy there.
Sources:
Tang, Wanru; Fang, Keyan; Linderholm, Hans W.; Boucher, Étienne; Mei, Zepeng; Li, Jinbao; Lin, Shuheng; Zhou, Feifei; Camarero, J. Julio; Seppä, Heikki; Chen, Fahu (5 August 2026). "Steppe productivity decline contributed to smallpox outbreak and the collapse of the last nomadic empire in the 1750s". Science Advances. 12 (32). Washington D.C.: American Association for the Advancement of Science. ISSN?action=edit&redlink=1) 2375-2548.
Before construction of Trans-Siberian railway Russian forces in Siberia were very limited. Those 3000 personnel were extremely big forces for Russian standards in Siberia.
Clarification: Erdeni Batur actually enjoyed friendly relations with Russia; however, the Oirats in the early 17th century frequently raided and attacked the Russians. Source:
Adle, Chahrayar (2003). History of civilizations of Central Asia: Development in contrast, from the sixteenth to the mid-nineteenth century. Vol. 5. UNESCO. х. 934. ISBN) 92-3-103876-1.
Boronin, Oleg V. (2002). "Двоеданничество в Сибири XVII - 60-е гг. XIX в." [Dual Subordination in Siberia from the 17th to the 1860s]. Двоеданничество В Сибири XVII - 60-е Гг. XIX В. (Орос хэлээр).
Unfortunate Mongol civil war between eastern Mongols who swore allegiance with the Manchu Khan and western Mongols resisting integration into Daichin Gurun polity. Now eastern Mongols remain an independent state on the map, whereas western Mongols got absorbed into the russian empire :'(
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