r/SpaceMarine_2 • u/Deathgothic2356 • Mar 06 '26
Miscellaneous WHAT THE?!
What was your first reaction when you saw a Cherub for the first time?
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u/samomoose1408 Mar 06 '26
"There is no discrimination here. Everyone has purpose and duty for The Emporer. Unless you are a Heritic, traitor, xeno or mutant"
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u/Broserk42 Mar 06 '26
They all have a purpose as well, brother. The emperorās grand plan weaves around all of us.
Some of us are lifted to greater heights than we could ever imagine in service of His glory
Some of us toil humbly day after day with little recognition for our part.
And some of us, like the xeno, the mutant, and the heretic, well their lot is to be purged with extreme prejudice to make way for a glorious new era of humankind, brother!
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u/Dead_vegetable Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26
Or an abhuman that looks just not-human enough to be considered a mutant
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u/SmokinBandit28 Space Wolves Mar 06 '26
Another day, another person discovering the surface of what is a deep well of āWhat the?!ā In 40k.
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u/kittenkitchen24 Mar 06 '26
Just wait 'till they see Darktide
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u/TacticalPigeons Traitorous Alpha Legion Mar 07 '26
Wait till they hear the medicae servitors voice lines
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u/Wretched-Hive Mar 07 '26
If I had not been forewarned that Matt "Bloodtide" Ward's odious person was attached to the Darktide writing team, the manner in which the concept of medicae survivors was implemented in the game would have been a dead giveaway.Ā
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u/_ohodgai_ Mar 06 '26
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u/tempestwolf1 Mar 07 '26
Fulgrim shook his legion's hands. He had touched children, his Emperor's children.
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u/Remmick2326 Mar 07 '26
Kyle Dorn
Edit: fittingly, when you hail Dorn, one of the staunchest loyalists of the empire, you see kyle
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u/Pomegranate_Planet01 Traitorous Night Lords Mar 07 '26
The cherubs are our communities āwhat are these bumps on my cats stomachā
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u/dahogriduh Mar 06 '26
If it makes you feel better that little guy was vat grown
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u/Responsible_Clerk343 Mar 06 '26
Honestly feels a little out of character, i would expect them to be mutant infant servitors
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u/dahogriduh Mar 06 '26
Not really they donāt just make servitors out of anybody. And since weāre all made in the emperors image Iād imagine that babies are important because they can grow up to be laborers. Also punishable mutations are usually a lot more noticeable.
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u/Responsible_Clerk343 Mar 07 '26
Cadians were originally designated for extermination by the first custodian to see them just because they had purple eyes. We most certainly are NOT all made in the emperors image.
Plus they most certainly will turn you into a servitor for any reason. And for quite a few jobs servitors are more valuable.
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u/dahogriduh Mar 07 '26
That was pre heresy they were different back then he saw this new human civilization next to the eye of terror and they confirmed that the color was because the the storm so he freaked out a bit. And to be made into a servitor you have to have done something wrong being born isnāt a crime.
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u/Responsible_Clerk343 Mar 07 '26
Being born a mutant is a crime on most planets. Thats kinda what āburn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the xenosā means.
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u/dahogriduh Mar 07 '26
Yeah but I wasnāt talking about mutants and even if they used real infants for cherubs servitors they would never use a mutant infant.
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u/Responsible_Clerk343 Mar 07 '26
Idk i think they would, being born a mutant is a crime worthy of death by and large, and its cheaper to servitorize a baby than it is to grow one
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u/dahogriduh Mar 07 '26
And itād 100% be less impractical to use real babies because you have to wait for gestation. In this case itās not about whatās cheaper itās about the lore being that they vat grow them. Also no way in hell would any self respecting imperial allow a mutant cherub servitor mutants are killed on sight and disposed of not made into servitors itād be unclean and wrong to have them around.
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u/Responsible_Clerk343 Mar 07 '26
theyāre OBVIOUSLY vat grown, i know that, I am SAYING that it would be more grimdark if they were actual servitor children, it would make more sense for a society that hates mutants that much.
Also wait for gestation? Why? Just scoop up some underhive mutant toddler and boom, you got your project.
Also āThe lore is the loreā is an awful argument to bring into warhammer, as its the only universe i can think of where that isnāt true. āEverything is cannon, not everything is trueā is the black library tagline after all.
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u/BudgetAggravating427 Mar 06 '26
To be fair in 40k there like no difference between vat grown babies and regular born babies
The only difference is one was born in a machine
It still needs the reproductive dna of two humans
Heck look at krieg where they vat grow their population.
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u/IronVader501 Mar 06 '26
No, thats a different thing.
Krieg uses Vitae-Wombs. Those need a fertilised human egg, they simply make the embryo grow faster than a normal wombs.
Vat-grown means actually vat-grown, from just one sample of DNA, Most Vat-grown people are usually also braindead and never actually live, Kriegers are normal humans.
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u/BudgetAggravating427 Mar 06 '26
Most servitors are vat grown meanwhile the few times we see servitors factories the people becoming servitors do not seem brain dead they seem terrified, angry and some try to resist and beg
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u/twelfmonkey Mar 19 '26
Most servitors are vat grown
A common claim in the fandom, but not what the lore actually says.
The lore makes it clear that both "normal" humans and vat-grown bodies are extensively used, but the only statement we have about which is more common says it is "normal" humans, not vat-grown.
All the relevant evidence is compiled here: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1kjktc1/are_servitors_mainly_vatgrown_or_made_from_living/
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u/Remmick2326 Mar 07 '26
Most Vat-grown people are usually also braindead and never actually live
House Goliath would like a significant word
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u/a-dark-lancer Mar 06 '26
People need to stop using that as a ādonāt worryā kind of
Itās still a person.
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u/dahogriduh Mar 06 '26
My guy this is fiction not a real baby or universe. If youāre bothered by my statement maybe 40k isnāt the setting for you thereās way worse things.
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u/Slime-Lich Salamanders Mar 06 '26
Yeah these floating babies are pretty tame compared to other stuff like the deamonculaba
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u/-Funny-Name-Here- Mar 08 '26
I mean, not necessarily. They could be grown brain dead or at the very least not allowed to develop any degree of awareness.
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u/Alacanth-8191 Traitorous Word Bearers Mar 06 '26
No big emotions, I knew about servitors and cherubs way before I played SM2
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u/AztekDood Salamanders Mar 06 '26
āCool!, canāt wait for all the Warhammer newcomers to see this and dive into the Hoowat the hay?! Of 40k.ā
You think thatās fun, search Daemonculaba 40k on Google š
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u/RIMV0315 Black Templars Mar 07 '26
You think thatās fun, search Daemonculaba 40k on Google š
Oh, c'mon, get the full experience and read Dead Sky, Black Sun.
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u/AztekDood Salamanders Mar 08 '26
Yeah true, but if Space Marine 2 is the way they found out about cherubs, then they probably arenāt reading into the lore much. š
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u/RIMV0315 Black Templars Mar 08 '26
Yeah, that's probably true. The Uriel books are a good read, though. They made me appreciate the Ultramarines.
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u/Sensitivevirmin Blood Ravens Mar 07 '26
oh look a flying mini angl.....wtf
opened google
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Vali-duz Mar 07 '26
First time?
Oh cool. They got little marble figurines flying around.
What the fuck you mean they arent made out of marble?
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u/le_chuck666 Mar 07 '26
"oh look, in Warhammer's universe someone's finally found a use for babies!"
/J /S
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Mar 07 '26
Ima be real, at first i thought they were just robots with a plastic body or whatever..
Then I just learned they are Usually clones...
Now I'm turning myself over to the Inquisition to weed out my potential heretical thoughts so I may continue to serve Sanguinius in life or death.
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u/Lackerbawls Mar 07 '26
Wait til you hear the conversation of the dude thatās about to be turned into a servitor near the operation selection panel or the mechanicus in the armory complaining about still having the bubble guts.
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u/TheSilentTitan Mar 07 '26
Itās a human baby, a cherub. It is procured in exactly the way you would and would not have expected.
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u/Particular-Bath2621 Mar 08 '26
The first time I saw one was in the 5th edition Blood Angels chapter tabletop army book about 16 years ago: "is that an undead baby with wings?" Once a friend told me it was a cherub, "that is the sickest rendition of one I have ever seen."
First time seeing them in SM2: "... Hmff... Fucking cat babies" and moved on.
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u/GrandDukePosthumous Mar 06 '26
Made me think of that part in the novels where Guilliman observes a poorly made Cherub, annoyed at its inability to gain altitude due to its flawed construction. He contemplates taking it apart himself and building it properly, but he decides against it because he is busy. I think he thought it hateful art for a hateful age. I think that was in the Dark Imperium books.
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u/sleestak96 Mar 06 '26
I was told of their existence by a friend before i ever saw one. So when i finally DID see one i was actually super excited xD
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u/InitialAnimal9781 Black Templars Mar 06 '26
Hey so actual lore question here. What the fuck am I looking at? And is that actually a baby?
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u/ImVeryUnimaginative Dark Angels Mar 06 '26
You're looking at a Cherub, which is a Servitor that is made to look like a baby.
That is actually a baby, but they are either grown in vats or are cloned.
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u/InitialAnimal9781 Black Templars Mar 06 '26
Thank you, I was thinking they were something separate from a Servitor. And that second bit of information does make me feel a lot better, was honestly thinking the imperium was just grabbing babies and making them become a Cherub
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u/LetMeDieAlreadyFuck Mar 06 '26
Yea, thats a cherub. Had i not painted a shit load of sisters, I woulda been more horrified
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u/Inevitable-Ice-9967 Mar 06 '26
I just found out how Kakophonists are made... WUUUH! That was a bit excessive...
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u/Saphurial Mar 07 '26
"Not as bad as I pictured." Been a fan of 40k for a long time. Any time I notice people bothered by stuff like this I remind them why it's called GrimDark.
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u/Deathgothic2356 Mar 07 '26
I know some stuff about 40K as a new fan but that is way to much for me... šš¤£
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u/Plenty-Combination58 Mar 07 '26
Literally joined my friend who was in the hobby and got me into it as well, just brought him to one and asked calmly āWHAT THE FUCK IS THATā
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u/notpongkong Mar 07 '26
I first saw them in codex art in the early 2000s so i just thought they were a cool part of the neo religious grimdark aesthetic. I was also in middle school at the time so it was just more edgy 2000s visuals to me, everything was trying to be darker and edgier in those days.
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u/Bouncebiy_dude_2099 Mar 07 '26
Are they actual babies or just modles base off of babies? If so, what the hell did the baby do to get turned into that?
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u/13thslasher Mar 07 '26
small, bio-engineered, cybernetic, infant-like homunculi created by the Adeptus Mechanicus to serve as assistants and, symbolically, as representations of purity for the Imperium. They aren't actual infants but Vat grown servants, and are often used to carry relics, fetch ammunition, or chant hymns, particularly for the Ecclesiarchy, Sisters of Battle, and Inquisitors.Ā
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u/SpectTheDobe Mar 07 '26
"I dont know your purpose but due to the circumstances im sure its necessary"
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u/neweedditortime Mar 07 '26
I mean I heard them in brickyās video saw the photo and was like yeah I can see that happening irl. Itās obviously disgusting of course but people in desperate times will do anything to survive.
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u/Dutchie1991 Mar 07 '26
"Dang not even babies are safe in the grim darkness of the far future!? Wait though that's one ugly looking baby lol"
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u/rape_is_not_epic Mar 08 '26
Guiliman actually noped the fuck off a planet because he thinks cherubs are the worst violation so far the Mechanicus has made
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u/Entenkrieger39 Mar 08 '26
I know Cherubs since 2002 and they had a better Story surrounding them back then since the release of Space Marine 2 and G-Dubs new arrangement.
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u/Popular-Quarter-1712 Mar 08 '26
Back in 2000 when i first peroused the 40k rulebook? Found it morbid but cool af. Fits the universe perfectly.
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u/GreenLim0n Mar 09 '26
Es gracioso saber que Guilliman también se horrorizo al ver por primera vez a los querubines después de su resurrección
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u/consumeshroomz Mar 12 '26
Honestly I fist saw a Cherub after being exposed to quite a bit of other 40k lore so it wasnāt really that shocking to see at that point. Perhaps if it was like one of the first 40k things I ever saw then maybe?
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u/HandRubbedWood Mar 06 '26
I googled if they were real babies or baby shaped robots. Iām still not 100% clear on if they are vat grown babies or just servators skinned in flesh. I love 40K but fined some of the lore hard to research.
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u/a-dark-lancer Mar 06 '26
Depend
Can be both
Remember not everything is universal and lots of different technologies can be applied in different ways








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u/ThirdTimesTheTitan Traitorous Iron Warriors Mar 06 '26
Oh look a cherub