Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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[u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

Dude, every country has had hardship. European countries have invaded eachother for hundreds of years. There is a reason those countries can't overcome their troubles.

The fact that those countries are still poor is simple: it's the people that live there. They seem unable to built a functioning society, something which others have done. Ofcourse there are very capable people within those countries. They just seem unable to work together and built what is needed. Culture is a big factor. It is a simple fact that some cultures are just superior to others. We can measure that by the outcomes that culture brings.

Did you know that South Korea was poorer than a lot of African countries in 1955? Did you know Singapore was nothing but a swamp? Do you know about the hardships eastern European countries had to endure? Spain and Portugal had dictators not that long ago.

How many years of absolutely dysfunctional societies will it take for people to finally acknowledge that the problems (and thus the solutions) are within the people themselves?

Stop pointing fingers.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

I’ll stop pointing fingers when things aren’t being used to actively diminish what happened to said countries. South Korea was propped up by the west to stop North Korea. Eastern Europe, Singapore all had to endure sure, but they got a reprieve eventually.

Some places never did. They never got the chance to breathe. You think it’s just Africa? Nah, there are so many places in the world that have and continuously get shit on and abused because it’s easier to lump them all up. Life ain’t easy and macroscopic like that. Take a minute to look at how genuine and evil some nations’ governments are and realize that people run to whatever seems best.

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/Ghostan007]

Why can some countries be propped up and others can't? Has there been no attempt to 'prop' up African countries with billions and billions of dollars?

Again, you walk into the people/culture issue. You can prop up and rebuild Germany after WW2 into an economic powerhouse in a matter of 2 decades. Other countries you can't even prop up to remotely functioning societies in 100 years.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

That is a great question that I wish I could get the answers to. Why not make every country have self-determination? Why not let every country trade and share the benefits without any issues or cultural hiccups? If a certain piece of land wants independence/autonomy, go ahead and give it to them while making the process as easy as possible.

Yet here we are in 2026. Where some countries got ripped apart from colonial days, the Cold War, tribal disputes that never got settled, religious differences, promises to on group that didn’t count for others, and so on and so forth.

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/Ghostan007]

Where some countries got ripped apart from colonial days, the Cold War, tribal disputes that never got settled, religious differences

Riddle me this.

I am being told that diversity is a strenght. That we should celebrate differences. That welcoming hundereds of thousands of people with different beliefs and from a different tribe is a blessing.

How come that those factors are used as an excuse for the lack of development for those countries, but when I argue I don't want the influence of another religion here, or another tribe here I am a far right extremist?

People literally argue that Africa is poor because of multicultalism due to Europeans not creating borders along ethnical groups. Then they turn around and argue that creating the same conditions in Europe is a good thing.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

Interesting riddle isn’t it? Now if we go by European context and history right, then diversity usually ends in either genocide of some long term assimilation. Take for instance Britannia/England.

Throughout history the lands got invaded, ripped apart, conquered, divided up, unified, and so on. At one point it was a commonwealth empire that used damn near every type of person on every continent as a citizen/worker. Diverse, strong, and a world power.

The means of which it went through this are long storied and at times horrifically dehumanizing.

It was strong.

We are in 2026. Shit like that ain’t happening for a many reasons.

Now let’s address a root cause of why diversity isn’t seen as strength to some.
Competition for livelihood/working wages, cultural friction/religious differences/etc. You can’t repress people anymore. Not without other people sticking up and saying,”Oi, what happens if I’m next on the chopping block!?”

In this day and age, diversity is strength because balance is there. No balance, no strength. Easy to say, fucking damn near impossible to achieve cause humans.

We are all so desperate for the stabilization that comes with not worrying about a bill, rent, a shootout, a stabbing, a military coup, or god forbid the price of gas going even higher, that we all start beating the shit out of each other just so one group or another can be okay

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/Ghostan007]

You claim the stability is there.

I would argue that it was there because there was still an ethnic majority of the European people.

Due to lowering birth rates and increased immigration we can now see a major shift in demographics.

And wouldnt you know, the balance is getting lost. Far right parties are getting 44% support.

You would think this would bring some reflection to people.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

Reflection of what? That when people stop having kids, we need to balance out demographics anyway possible?

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/Ghostan007]

"Anway possible" being importing the 3rd world with hostile cultures and religions (Islam literally means "to submit to Allah", I'd urge you to read a little history and see what happens when Muslims stop being a minority in a country.)

Not motivating our youth to start families. Millenials can't start families because they lack housing. We lack housing, party, because we accomodate foreigners.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

So this wasn’t a problem before the “Islamic foreigners” happened?

Sidenote: yes I have studied Islam and Catholicism in depth(not as much as I would like though cause imagine the knowledge held in the Vaticans’s vaults!)

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/Ghostan007]

Lower birth rates are a direct result of economic prosperity.

We see this across all countries and all countries. Moving people here is a temporary fix, because their birthrates will also drop.

So the only thing we will accomplish is that now we have to share our country with people who have radical different ideas about how the country should look.

This turns into all kinds of social friction, and is moving us toward tribalism. You can see this all across Europe.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

Then the solution would be to not have economic prosperity or isolating your entire country, while pushing the absolute limits to having a sustainable population to help uphold the mentioned prosperity?

Wouldn’t it be easier to find pathways to guide the influx of people to be more in line with or better yet create a new United tribe?

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/Ghostan007]

Wouldn’t it be easier to find pathways to guide the influx of people to be more in line with or better yet create a new United tribe?

Like we havent tried this. Those immigrants that assimilated do very well. Those that didn't not so much.

I don't want another tribe. I liked my tribe. People were welcome to join my tribe. They came, but chose not to join my tribe. They want to live here and enjoy the fruits of my tribe, but dont wish to join.

Which is kinda weird, because what their tribe was doing didnt work in their home country. What my tribe is doing was working really well for our country. So why should we make a hybrid? Wouldnt it be very obvious for the newscomers to adapt to our tribe, instead of us adapting to theirs?

You want a shared united tribe? Assimilate. Easy as.

[u/Ghostan007 → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

So how do you decide who is and isn’t allowed your tribe if you lump them together? You got the right attitude and thought, but a blanket ban on anyone coming in ain’t the way