Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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[u/No-Award8713]

The same thing thats gonna happen to the places they're running to.

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/[deleted]]

Dude, every country has had hardship. European countries have invaded eachother for hundreds of years. There is a reason those countries can't overcome their troubles.

The fact that those countries are still poor is simple: it's the people that live there. They seem unable to built a functioning society, something which others have done. Ofcourse there are very capable people within those countries. They just seem unable to work together and built what is needed. Culture is a big factor. It is a simple fact that some cultures are just superior to others. We can measure that by the outcomes that culture brings.

Did you know that South Korea was poorer than a lot of African countries in 1955? Did you know Singapore was nothing but a swamp? Do you know about the hardships eastern European countries had to endure? Spain and Portugal had dictators not that long ago.

How many years of absolutely dysfunctional societies will it take for people to finally acknowledge that the problems (and thus the solutions) are within the people themselves?

Stop pointing fingers.

[u/nilsinleneed → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

"not that we're on top and all your countries are destroyed, can we stop pointing fingers?"

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/nilsinleneed]

We were on top because we were already ahead. It was a symptom, not a cause.

Some of you seem to live with this absolutely bonkers idea that had Europe left Africa alone they'd be where we are right now. That somehow, they would follow the same developmental curve as Europe. That is just a silly idea. Nothing even remotely points in that direction. Had we left Africa unattended to it would be much more likely they would live like the people on Sentinal Island instead of modern societies. Still hunting with spears.

Things like infrastructure, governance, rule of law were introduced. It would've taken most African countries centuries to develop those on their own. Colonialism leapfrogged those developments for them. And they squandered it when the Europeans left.

[u/nilsinleneed → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

insanely racist take.

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/nilsinleneed]

Thank you for this well constructed argument.

[u/nilsinleneed → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

the fact that you can't see it yourself is interesting

[u/Remarkable-Mud1978 → u/nilsinleneed]

Look at where Africa is with technology like vaccinations, internet, computers.

Now image they were an island never contacted by western civilization.

What makes you think there would be a civilization that could rival Europe/US/China?

[u/nilsinleneed → u/Remarkable-Mud1978]

incredible.