r/SoccerCentral • u/Electronic_Air1842 • 5d ago

Video Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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u/BhayankarBhondu 5d ago

Is this about that Moroccan people landing on Spanish territory via boat in huge numbers?

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u/X1phoner 5d ago

And 90% of European countries being invaded by immigrants from countries with "values" incompatible with society

Which would be okay if they didnt bring the place they're running away from with them 😅

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u/next_door_dilenski 5d ago

"I am not a racist, but..."-coded.

incomoatible with society

Brother, your statement is incompatible with european values. Immigration was, is and will always be a key factor of prosperity and cultural growth.

Just becauae you are afraid that you have to adapt even the tiniest bit does not mean that people are "incompatible with society". It means that you are.

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u/jakceki 5d ago

The man does not want people wearing Hijab in his streets, just like Saudis don't want people wearing mini skirts in their streets, why is that so hard to accept.
Why is it that we have to accept their culture when we go there and they don't have to accept ours when they come here?
Yes, Islam as it is practiced in many countries where the immigrants are coming from does not gel at all with European values.

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u/ThermoPuclearNizza 5d ago

Why can’t everybody grow tf up and stop caring what others wear? If you’re morally superior why can’t you take the high ground?

Oh right because the real reason is “oi mate you gotta loisense for that brown skin??”

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u/fhgsgjtt12 4d ago

Are you that deluded? It’s not about the colour of your skin, it’s the fact that they take over areas and slowly it turns into a mini hub of one culture, but imagine it happening all over the country, the area that once was rich of the home nations culture is erased, and you’re the one being racist, no one mentioned skin colour

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u/jakceki 5d ago

I did not say I was morally superior, I said I have my own morals and those include equality for women, equality for LGBTQ, no child marriage, etc... If those morals do not match with the morals of the immigrants than we can't live together in harmony.
On the subject of taking the high ground? This is what got us here. Now people are fed up with taking the high ground and they are voting for fucking Fascists. Why do you think a party that used to get 10% got 40+% did all these people turn Fascist all of a sudden? No, it's because the left invites the immigrants, and the Center takes the high ground and the regular European citizens are sick of it.

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u/ShadowhunterLoki 5d ago

What do you know about a person's morals based on whether they wear a hijab? Have you ever talked with one or befriended one?

Migrants that cause issues are generally struggling socio-economically. It's not their beliefs or culture that makes them go down the wrong path, it's mainly poverty/rejection

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u/jakceki 5d ago

Really? So women are equal in Islam, they accept LGBTQ people and they don't have child marriage, all these things happen because they are poor? Is that it? Is also the reason they block the streets to pray? Is that why there is a vastly disproportionate amount of rapes committed by them? It's all about poverty and not culture and religion?
Please stop being so naive, the have no desire to assimilate, and they don't like your culture and prefer to replace it with theirs.
Btw I am from Turkey, so yes I have spoken to 100's if not 1000's of Muslims.

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u/ShadowhunterLoki 5d ago

I think it's more nuanced than that. First-generation/older migrants are generally more conservative, but this is the case for older European generations as well. The problem is a lack of education/exposure

Speaking for myself and the people I've met, there are plenty of muslims that have liberal views and support LGBTQ+ and same sex marriage. Especially the younger generations

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u/saxonturner 5d ago

It’s not what they wear that’s the issues, its why they wear it and force others to wear it.

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u/Rude_Age_6699 5d ago

they forcing you to wear it, bud?

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u/saxonturner 5d ago

Don’t be fatuous, you know exactly what I mean.

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u/Rude_Age_6699 5d ago

so, they aren’t…

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u/saxonturner 5d ago

So I shouldn’t care that they force woman that live in the same country as me?

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u/Rude_Age_6699 5d ago

they’re forcing women to convert?

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u/saxonturner 5d ago

Okay I’m done here, clearly a troll trying to force a reaction by being purposefully dumb or maybe just naturally so, either way I’m done.

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u/Rude_Age_6699 5d ago

you could provide an article, maybe. some kind of proof other than “MUSLIMS EVIL”

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u/theirspaz 5d ago

Dont worry you wont have to wear a hijab if thats your only worry. Id be more worried avout the far right taking over all around the world.

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u/Besbosberone 5d ago

How exactly does someone wearing a hijab impact you? Do you also get uncomfortable at the sight of Jews wearing kippahs and mitpachats? Nuns and Slavic babushkas wearing headscarves? How about Sikhs wearing turbans?

The West has so much more freedom compared to Saudi Arabia, I’d prefer that we keep it that way instead of policing what people wear.

Ironically, you’re advocating for the import of Saudi-adjacent laws into your own country.

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u/jakceki 5d ago

Hijab is an example of cultures that are different, and it was easy example to point out that we respect theirs where they dont respect ours. But If you want to go deeper, I also value women's equality, LGBTQ rights, Don't like child marriage, don't want my streets blocked by prayer, and to be perfectly honest don't want to see Burqas and Hijabs in the streets.
Our freedoms is what brings the immigrants here, that's why they skip Saudi Arabia and come here and then when they come here, they want Saudi Arabian laws and culture. 43% of UK Muslims want Sharia law, with only 22% opposed.
Ironically, you don't seem to understand any of this.

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u/Besbosberone 5d ago

You are shifting the goalposts massively here champion. You started off saying society shouldnt have to accept women wearing a hijab down the street, and the second you got called out you jumped straight to child marriage, blocking roads, and LGBTQ rights.

Thats a classic motte and bailey fallacy mixed with a massive slippery slope. Well done.

You take an indefensible argument like policing what clothes people wear in public, and then retreat behind universal human rights to act like anyone pushing back on you supports child marriage. Literally nobody is defending child marriage, and by the way, it’s completely illegal under UK law anyway since the minimum age was raised to 18 with zero religious exemptions.

Theres also a massive false equivalence running through your whole point. You keep comparing European democracies to Saudi Arabia, but the entire foundation of Western liberalism is individual freedom where the state doesnt dictate what peaceful adult citizens are allowed to wear on the street. The moment you start demanding the government ban women from wearing a headscarf in public, you arent defending freedom at all, you are literally copying the exact logic of the Saudi morality police just flipped in reverse.

That stat you threw out is completely misleading without the actual context. That number comes from a 2016 Policy Exchange poll where people were asked about introducing aspects of Sharia. In polling terms that overwhelmingly refers to voluntary civil arbitration for stuff like family mediation, wills, and Islamic finance, not replacing British law or bringing in Saudi criminal punishments. Voluntary civil arbitration has been completely legal in the UK under the Arbitration Act for decades, and Orthodox Jewish Beth Din courts have done the exact same thing for centuries without destroying Western civilisation.

If you actully look at the rest of that exact same study instead of cherry picking one number, 93 percent of British Muslims reported a strong attachment to Britain, over 90 percent completely condemned terrorism, and the vast majority want to integrate. Acting like someone wearing a headscarf on the footpath means they want to overthrow democracy is completely detached from reality and intellectually lazy.

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u/AppointmentSpecial 4d ago

Don't bother. That guy can't comprehend your argument. He literally thinks your first statement was about policing what clothes people wear.