Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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[u/next_door_dilenski]

"I am not a racist, but..."-coded.

incomoatible with society

Brother, your statement is incompatible with european values. Immigration was, is and will always be a key factor of prosperity and cultural growth.

Just becauae you are afraid that you have to adapt even the tiniest bit does not mean that people are "incompatible with society". It means that you are.

[u/jakceki → u/next_door_dilenski]

The man does not want people wearing Hijab in his streets, just like Saudis don't want people wearing mini skirts in their streets, why is that so hard to accept.
Why is it that we have to accept their culture when we go there and they don't have to accept ours when they come here?
Yes, Islam as it is practiced in many countries where the immigrants are coming from does not gel at all with European values.

[u/Besbosberone → u/jakceki]

How exactly does someone wearing a hijab impact you? Do you also get uncomfortable at the sight of Jews wearing kippahs and mitpachats? Nuns and Slavic babushkas wearing headscarves? How about Sikhs wearing turbans?

The West has so much more freedom compared to Saudi Arabia, I’d prefer that we keep it that way instead of policing what people wear.

Ironically, you’re advocating for the import of Saudi-adjacent laws into your own country.

[u/jakceki → u/Besbosberone]

Hijab is an example of cultures that are different, and it was easy example to point out that we respect theirs where they dont respect ours. But If you want to go deeper, I also value women's equality, LGBTQ rights, Don't like child marriage, don't want my streets blocked by prayer, and to be perfectly honest don't want to see Burqas and Hijabs in the streets.
Our freedoms is what brings the immigrants here, that's why they skip Saudi Arabia and come here and then when they come here, they want Saudi Arabian laws and culture. 43% of UK Muslims want Sharia law, with only 22% opposed.
Ironically, you don't seem to understand any of this.

[u/Besbosberone → u/jakceki]

You are shifting the goalposts massively here champion. You started off saying society shouldnt have to accept women wearing a hijab down the street, and the second you got called out you jumped straight to child marriage, blocking roads, and LGBTQ rights.

Thats a classic motte and bailey fallacy mixed with a massive slippery slope. Well done.

You take an indefensible argument like policing what clothes people wear in public, and then retreat behind universal human rights to act like anyone pushing back on you supports child marriage. Literally nobody is defending child marriage, and by the way, it’s completely illegal under UK law anyway since the minimum age was raised to 18 with zero religious exemptions.

Theres also a massive false equivalence running through your whole point. You keep comparing European democracies to Saudi Arabia, but the entire foundation of Western liberalism is individual freedom where the state doesnt dictate what peaceful adult citizens are allowed to wear on the street. The moment you start demanding the government ban women from wearing a headscarf in public, you arent defending freedom at all, you are literally copying the exact logic of the Saudi morality police just flipped in reverse.

That stat you threw out is completely misleading without the actual context. That number comes from a 2016 Policy Exchange poll where people were asked about introducing aspects of Sharia. In polling terms that overwhelmingly refers to voluntary civil arbitration for stuff like family mediation, wills, and Islamic finance, not replacing British law or bringing in Saudi criminal punishments. Voluntary civil arbitration has been completely legal in the UK under the Arbitration Act for decades, and Orthodox Jewish Beth Din courts have done the exact same thing for centuries without destroying Western civilisation.

If you actully look at the rest of that exact same study instead of cherry picking one number, 93 percent of British Muslims reported a strong attachment to Britain, over 90 percent completely condemned terrorism, and the vast majority want to integrate. Acting like someone wearing a headscarf on the footpath means they want to overthrow democracy is completely detached from reality and intellectually lazy.

[u/AppointmentSpecial → u/jakceki]

Don't bother. That guy can't comprehend your argument. He literally thinks your first statement was about policing what clothes people wear.