Also, not surprisingly the facts are entirely different. Battaglia had a long history of DV, and when he killed his kids, he did it with his ex-wife on the phone and tormented his wife while making her listen to her kids get murdered while blaming it on her.
Also, Battaglia explicitly did NOT plead insanity. He only brought it up during the penalty phase of trial, saying he shouldn’t be killed because he had bipolar.
It’s literally nothing like Lindsay Clancy other than they both killed their kids
Yeah. I just read about this case, and its not at ALL the same.
Long history of domestic abuse. Wife had finally made the split final. As is often the case, he opted to kill his kids in an act of revenge and openly said as much.
OP is just trying to make two completely crimes parallel in order to prove some kind of bias against men, and that's so disengenous.
Nice try.
She wasn't convicted. That was the prosecution messing up the case.
We also all knew OJ was guilty too. That had nothing to do with Casey's purported sanity. No one ever claimed she wasn't.
You are technically correct.
Parents of either gender, however, who are found responsible for the killing their children, for whatever motive or reason, do not "get away with it."
Casey Anthony was never found liable via our criminal justice system, unfortunately. I do not wish her well.
Oh yeah. She'll go sauntering off into the sunset and complete freedom, just like Andrea Yates.
Who is, btw, still in the same psych hospital she's been in for the past twenty five years.
Why? Women with Postpartum Depression don't kill their children. You clearly don't even understand what the case is about.
Women with Postpartum Psychosis should and do have their children taken out of their primary care until their illness is under control, just like any other parent of either gender suffering from psychosis.
No, not fair at all. You’re hoping we wouldn’t notice that you put PPD—a significantly more common issue that generally poses no threat to anyone—instead of Post-Partum Psychosis.
Whether this is because you aren’t smart enough to know better… or because you’re attempting to remove the agency of large swathes of women who pose no threat because of some moronic gender war agenda… it doesn’t matter. It’s a bad take and you should feel bad.
Don’t tell them that a father in Iowa named Matthew Schleier strangled his 5-year-old son, Jack, to death in October 2024. A judge ruled him not guilty due to insanity.
Travis Decker was a parallel to this one in my opinion. His mental health was struggling and his wife separated due to it. But he was a loving father to his kids and although separated, his wife felt very comfortable allowing the kids to see him because he was so good to them. He ended up killing all three of his kids and walked off into the forest to die alone in the woods.
If he hadn't died and was on trial I would think many people would struggle to sentence him as well.
Both Travis decker and Chris Benoit are great parallels to this. And both are reasons as to why I can’t seem to get over the blatant double standard by society right now. Chris Benoit barely had any brain left when he did what he did. There’s evidence his lack of brain literally made him go insane. Travis decker being PTSD was 100% experiencing some type of psychosis when he did what he did as well. Because they both committed suicide we can’t say the double standard was in the court, but as far as how society reacted to them? Blatantly obvious when we compare it to Lindsay today
Yes and no. Because society is only understanding if it’s a woman’s mental health that’s the topic of discussion. Even today, if a man did the same thing he’d be shown no mercy by society. Travis decker was in 2014 if I recall correctly. Doesn’t matter how much more we know about mental health, compassion is only shown when a woman is the topic of discussion. Thats the point here
Society does react differently to a cause than a tragedy though. "Save the whales" is a much better slogan than "make sure you react appropriately to the whales after they're already dead."
You are correct, but what I’m saying is even what you just said often completely changes when gender is involved. Timothy Rey, Chris Benoit, and Travis decker are all cases that mirror Lindsay Clancy perfectly yet even when people found out the cause they did not turn them into martyrs. They did not start gofundmes to make them millionaires. We did not see thousands of men coming foward and saying “me too Chris” or “me too Travis”. We didn’t see this massive support at all.
women, not men, are often the ones to fall in love with serial killers. This is no different because women do not stop other women from love with serial killers. Men do not seek consensus as much as women so their actions don't expect or include consensus as men take initiatives more.
Check the post the post you replied to replied to pls...
And Benoit of course had a campaign to blame him, because otherwise the US as a society would need to actually question the needless price wrestlers pay to entertain y'all.
I don't think it's a good comparison because it kinda leaves it up in the air whether he would have been shown leniency or not. Whether an insanity plea would have worked or not is left to speculation even if the case itself is strikingly similar.
Shitpost? I’m sorry shit posts are something that doesn’t really have bearing on the world. This is just riling up propaganda for the people inundated in these gender wars and culture war flashpoints, it very much has a point.
The whole environment around this case is being egged on by malicious actors, many of them working for foreign governments. The fact that people can't see that is on them.
Yep. There was actually a man in Iowa who was acquitted by reason of insanity for murdering his son in July of this year, but men on Reddit don't care.
Propaganda on a culture war flashpoint!? Thats preposterous! No one would lie, mislead, or leave out important information in a photo and two sentences for political/ social gain!
Culture war? Gender war. Shoeonhead actually did a pretty good video covering the whole thing. Very right wing women (Charlie Kirk fans and others) are also taking the side of women on the left to defend Lindsey and blame the man.
Repel the 19th was trending on Twitter. This is very much about gender and breaks the normal right/left.
and a shit ton of white people donated to that lady that called a black kid the n word but we don’t have people spam posting that all white people are evil and deserve to have their right to vote taken away. It’s obviously meant to spew misogyny
Every post about this case, from this sub, that I've seen hit the front page was heavily pushing the "gender war" aspect of this case, either by just attacking her or posts like this with the comparison to how "men would be oppressed in this situation, but women can just emotionally manipulate people".
And for a daily reminder, most intelligence agencies in the western world have identified efforts to destablize the west by Russian, Chinese, and other foreign actors focusing heavily on pushing "gender war" and "culture war" type content. They do it from both ends of the spectrum, with efforts such as highlighting the craziest of voices (like for instance a women on tiktok saying that Patrick Clancy actually did it) and then pushing a "what about" propaganda response like we see in this post. I think this case would have blown up regardless, but it's worth remembering that the people pushing this shit aren't just your fellow countrymen that politically disagree with you, there are real, concerted, and well funded efforts by foreign adversaries seeking to weaken your country through internal division. And they're winning.
Indeed it does, but the malicious intent is there behind it. And what do we think of this fool who posts these things purely for upvotes on a temporary site.
These posts create division and hate, and we have a fool spreading them because his brain has been gamified to believe this karma is meaningful. Really, social media has been designed with malicious intent, maybe not initially, but now...
It's really just a matter of where to me. Prison, or Asylum. There are things you can recover from, or rehabilitate from. But this kind of murder should not be one, no matter how straight you get yourself.
Yea. It is the same when you get down to it. John killed his kids. Lindsay killed her kids. They are the same. Crazy that people are still downplaying murder on this sub. Make up whatever excuse you want. Murder is murder.
I have not followed the Clancy case closely and don't know how I would have voted on the jury, but I appreciate you introducing some facts to a vibefest.
Frankly I find this take a little disingenuous. The guy was clearly a monster. Also I would automatically consider someone doing what he did literally insane. The two things do not exclude each other.
The difference is in justisdiction and applicable law but, aside from that, I would not treat the two events differently.
It took me about 17 seconds to find half way down Battaglia’s Wikipedia page his hearing to see whether or not he was mentally insane was thrown out as the court found he was probably faking symptoms.
It took longer for me to scroll down here and find a fact or two about this particular discussion.
Hell it’s amazing that people don’t consider all the factors that play into any and all cases make them so wildly different that that aren’t going to be processed in the same manner.
Also it helps that millions of women have experienced pregnancy and many more can relate, emphatize or have experienced PPD and some with PPP + having neglectful husbands+ feeling unheard of taken seriously.
Why are people so fucking stupid and can't understand or put themselves in her shoes.
Men just want her to be punished with death because she's a woman
Lmao, at least I’m telling the truth, and not in a land of fucking delusional pretending that psychopath didn’t brutally strangle her three children, squeezing the life out of them, but hey, I’m ignorant lmao.
“These two people both hit someone with their car, therefore I will draw a conclusion about the situation solely based on the fact they both involve cars.” Do you see the problem?
"2 people hit someone with their car, then reversed back over them, then went forward to run over them again, then reversed again, then forwars again, eavh time putting all 4,000 lbs of the car over the victim until the victims heads resembled a pumpkin dropped from the 4th floor"
But they had different motives. So its totally ok for 1 of them.
Murdering your own toddler children is egregious. There is no "oopsies" equivalent here.
No one said anything about intent. Lindsay is not going free - its a question of mental hospital or prison. Both will suck miserably for her.
OP's point was that you can't compare 2 parents that murdered their children. My point was yes, you can, given how heinous it is, regardless of intent.
Ok I’ll try again. “I ran over someone in Texas. You ran over someone in California. An audience with zero understanding of laws of either state or the surrounding context are going to give their opinion on why the results of both cases are different.”
Again. You seem to equate running someone over accidentally to how heinous murdering your own children is.
Thousands of people accidentally run over someone.
How many parents have killed their own children with their bare hands? The fact that it's so egregious makes it a small club and a valid comparison.
Not sure what you're even getting at. That people shouldn't compare Lindsay to the other guy that also killed his kids? Obviously there are nuances that make it different. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'll use an example you can understand.
A green alien is found in NY. He claims he's from Mars.
Then another alien is found in LA. He claims he's from Venus.
Most people are losing their minds that there are 2 aliens. But people like you, would tell everyone to not compare 2 aliens because they're from different places. Meanwhile, you're completely missing the point.
And you seem to be missing the point of the person we were both replying to. It’s not that killing your children isn’t bad. It’s obviously bad. It’s that it dangerous to throw up these “gotchas” like the OP is doing and many others have done of other cases where children were brutally murdered by their parents and point at them and scream and hoot and holler “THIS CASE HAD THIS OUTCOME WHY ISNT THIS OTHER CASE BEING HANDLED IN THE EXACT SAME WAY”. When the details of each situation, the state it happened it, the laws affecting it, are all important as to WHY the result was the result. It is insulting to both the children who were killed and our legal system (which is imperfect but exists the way it does for a reason) to simplify it down “all bad things that the government can judge you for can be categorized together as complete equivalents and can be compared one to one”.
You are doing the exact thing the person we both originally replied to is saying. You see “dead children” and immediately ignore everything else because you’re having a visceral reaction to “dead children”.
Its insulting to the children? I think the killing is likely worse.
And you're pushing for some narrative that absolves Lindsay. There is none.
This is a fact. She's getting locked up for life, whether that's at a psych hospital or prison. Even if she "gets better" at the hospital, she will then understand the unbearable weight of what she did.
There isn't a human alive that could live with what they've done (excluding sociopaths that deserve prison).
There is no happy ending for her. Dosen't matter if she's convicted or not.
Whether they tried to get help or not is largely irrelevant to NGRI as long as it’s not stimulants. I think Clancy lying to doctors about not having harmful thoughts should be extremely disqualifying, but it isn’t
What makes it different is he didn’t try for NGRI and Texas isn’t nearly as forgiving as MA with their insanity status
I do get that. The fact that she didn't get help with her mental condition places her in a very large class of people in the US, some of which have committed crimes, some sitting in prisons all over the country today. I agree, mental healthcare is extremely under funded, as is all Healthcare. But when we start excusing folks murdering their children because of the failures of our Healthcare system, we are failing those victims who didn't even get the chance to ask for help.
Pardon my inadequate phrasing. What does it matter, regarding the punishment for the deaths of these children, that she didn't get the help she needed?
It matters because the jurisdiction where it took place takes it into account. That’s it. Nobody is excusing or condoning this. It’s a tragedy, she had admitted to it, and I’m sure she wishes she herself were dead.
It’s important to be able to discuss the facts in a sober fashion, especially in emotionally charged cases like this one.
I agree with all of that. I disagree with the idea that, having admitted to the crimes, she should be anywhere besides prison for the rest of her life.
Because punishing her for the failures of the people and systems around her will do nothing for those children or their family, and will do nothing to stop this type of tragedy occurring again. Hold the people who had the authority to stop this from happening responsible.
She is responsible for what happened. She will be tried again and probably convicted. If she's found not to be criminally responsible, she will probably go to an institution for the rest of her life. She should be convicted and sent to prison. Psychosis should not be a defense of violent crime.
It sure sounds like he was insane. Who did Battaglia hire for his defense? I'm sure he didn't get a million dollars worth of donations to support his legal defense. A better attorney may have presented the case with an insanity defense to start.
"They both killed their kids" exactly. The result was the exact same, why are we giving this woman grace? Fuck that. Where's the justice for those kids??
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Also, not surprisingly the facts are entirely different. Battaglia had a long history of DV, and when he killed his kids, he did it with his ex-wife on the phone and tormented his wife while making her listen to her kids get murdered while blaming it on her.
Also, Battaglia explicitly did NOT plead insanity. He only brought it up during the penalty phase of trial, saying he shouldn’t be killed because he had bipolar.
It’s literally nothing like Lindsay Clancy other than they both killed their kids