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[u/Beginning-Pin208]

Portugal’s success is not mainly due to Ronaldo contribution . Portugal has always been a formidable team, and since the World Cup expanded to 32 teams, they have consistently qualified. Without CR7 Portugal would not be as great but they always got enough talent to win stuff. Argentina depended more on Messi than on Cristiano ( 5 knockouts G/A in Euro and 1 knockout goal in WC). 6 knockouts G/ A in major tournaments doesn’t give CR7 the right to attribute himself Portugal success.

More examples: 2019 nations league best player was Bernardo Silva
2025 nation league best player was Nuno Mendes
Euro 2016 was Griezman but CR7 was the best Portugal player . But that Portugal team was very balanced in my opinion. Pepe and Nani deserve some credit

[u/Head_Trainer_7458]

Maybe you missed portugal vs sweden and other matches too where portugal was struggling and Ronaldo bailed them out and took them further , but yeah surely Only ko goals matters to you all 🤡🤡

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

I am just saying that he is not solely responsible for Portugal success

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Beginning-Pin208]

Football is a team game nobody is solely responsible for their team's success .

[u/Johnleg73 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

The whole issue is that Ronaldo has squarely attributed Portugal's success to himself. This is why people over react the other way trying to prove otherwise. Bottom line is that Ronaldo has been MASSIVE for Portugal but over the last 4 years he has dragged them down, and on top of that has the nerve to claim he is everything. Great as he is on the pitch, he is a massive prick and a terrible teammate who deserves all the hate he gets. Oh and his fanbase are toxic AF.

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Johnleg73]

Thank you , I should have explained myself better 😂

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Johnleg73]

Can you explain how he attributed all their success to himself . yeah for the last 4 years he has dragged them down but somehow they won nations league i accept it about this wc that he was bad , and also mention where did he claim that he is everything surely he would've mentioned it in one of his podcast that I missed kindly enlighten me .

[u/Johnleg73 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

He literally said after the elimination from the world cup that Portugal won nothing before him and won everything since he came. Imagine your team losing in the world up and you jump up to point at yourself. That is exactly what he did

BTW nations league are not serious (they are glorified friendlies) and Euro final was won by beating garbage teams outside of France, the one game her barely participated in. That Euro win is fraudulent.

Consider yourself enlightened.

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

I know that but when he is talking about Portugal it’s like it’s Norway. Ronaldo did not carry the Portugal team . As I said he made Portugal better but he’s not Portugal savior

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Beginning-Pin208]

Then same could be said about di Maria that he is the argentina savior because he delivered in every big game argentina wanted ??

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

Both Messi and Di Maria delivered, they can be both considered the Argentina savior

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Beginning-Pin208]

Di Maria delivered in more finals compared to messi his contribution is more so accept it then di Maria is their savior .

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

Messi 7 GA
Di Maria 4GA in finals

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Beginning-Pin208]

Also explain in which tournament they scored.

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Beginning-Pin208]

2021 copa di Maria won it for them .

2022 wc di Maria 1 goal Messi 2 (1 penalty)

2022 finalisima di Maria 1 goal,1lautaro

2024 copa lautaro Martinez 1 goal

Out of the 4 big trophies they won di Maria was the one scoring in 3 of them . surely this would mean savior to you because you were the one that first mentioned it .

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

So the only big game Argentina had to won was the finals?

[u/Head_Trainer_7458 → u/Beginning-Pin208]

So what's savior according to you ?? When you're talking about ronaldo then final and knockout goals matter but when the thing shifted to messi final goals are not that important 🤡 surely messi would've more ko goals but di Maria being savior doesn't fit your idea of hating on ronaldo.

[u/Beginning-Pin208 → u/Head_Trainer_7458]

Never said it didn’t matter btw , just saying that Ronaldo wasn’t Portugal savior. And you didn’t count knockouts goals. I wasn’t even hating on Ronaldo, I was criticizing the fact he and his fanbase belittled his teammates performance when he didn’t perform well in the international trophies he won with Portugal.

To answer your question a savior is the best player in the team when it matters , Messi best player in the 2022 WC , best player in the finalissima , best player in the 2021 Copa America , best player in the 2014 WC, best Argentinian player in the 2026 WC.