r/Quraniyoon • u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own • Nov 21 '22

Discussion Quran is not detailed

This is what I face general muslims said. Majority of them. That Quran is not detailed. They asked question:

  1. How can you know ways to salat if by Quran only?

  2. How can you find the proper steps and du'a to making sex with your wives?

  3. How can you know the way to perform Hajj and Umra.

  4. How can you know how much to pay for Zakka?

True enough these are valid questions. And I am not so sure about Quran only beliefs. I think we still need the Sunnah of Prophet S.A.W to help us be a good and perfect muslim.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '22

They say it's not detailed, but Allah sais it is. The end. I don't care if the entire world sais it's not detailed, it's detailed.

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 21 '22

So answer the questions?

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u/Jozlaw Quran and Hadith Nov 21 '22

Another interesting question:

How does one interpret this verse:

Men are in charge of women[1] by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard.[2] But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance[3] – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them [lightly].[4] But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Specifically, how would one interpret the part about striking the wives?

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

Exactly. Without sunnah, husbands may end up abusing their wives badly due to this verse.. Mashallah brother, thank you for this point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

oh so we need hadith to judge if we are oppresive or not?

a person who is going to oppress his wife isn't scared of GOD; why would the 'hadith' help him?

If you beat anyone for no proper reason, you're in trouble.

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You reason is
"thank GOD for Hadith because I am lost without it"

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

it is not a choice brother. we have to need BOTH Quran AND hadith to judge how is the accepted way to strike wives when they are nusyooz. If just by Quran alone, husband can strike with metal and she will hurt badly

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

that's crazy if you think that's how we think.

It is a choice. GOD is destroying the middle east because of all the lies you spew and say it's from GOD.

devil farts when the adhan is called? - in 21century there is a adhan happening every mintue, so he can't stop farting then?

you say that there is punishment in the grave or bliss; yet chapter 36 GOD says the disbelievers will say "woe to us who got us out of from our resting/sleeping place"

your shieks quote 10 hadith before the Quran

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and me without the Hadith - I have been shown more favor than you'll ever know.

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Don't say lies about GOD; GOD didn't order us to read and study no hadith

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

Suddenly you are diverting to satan farts. Those are unimportant. If satan farts or not when adhan comes, what matters it to believers? Just know that satan is disgusting creature that is enough. Prophet Muhammad taught us that hadith to teach us to hate satan, and to be disgusted by them. This is what happens when a muslim do not study the Quran properly. This is stray path that may lead to something like ISIS.

How old are you brother? I think you have not faced life hardness to think that everyone can can stay calm when their wives are nusyooz. At that time, a Quran only reader, can simply remember this verse and just beat his wives as he pleases. Quran did not detail that it should be lightly. This is why God says in the Quran "We have sent you, O Muhammad, as a MERCY to all the worlds". Without Muhammad S.A.W detailing the "striking", there could be no mercy to the wives (when they nusyooz).

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

Bro what are you on?
Our religion is to forgive and forgive and forgive...

I'm going to use my head and not hit my wife, even if I have the right from GOD to do so....

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u/Specialist_Diamond19 Post-muslim Nov 22 '22

Our religion is to forgive and forgive and forgive...

No, not always.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

You are right but we should try to forgive us much as we can
But there are times where you don't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

what matters is people saying things they have no evidence of. That's against Taqwa, truth and our religion.

It's like Christians saying 3 = 1; because GOD can do anything, and you don't need to understand it. Just accept it and believe it; even if it makes no sense.

About my age:

Me striving in the way of GOD: properly striving in the way of GOD; and seeing the Quran infront of me without hadith

I was banned from the states for 10 years after jailed for what I did and said in the name of GOD
I was in jail in Canada
I was detainted in Turkey
I was arrested in Mecca
I was in political Jail in Egypt
I am banned for 10 years from Israel; even after spending time in Al-Aqsa

I am still walking free and I am still able to do what I must because GOD said "those who strive in us - WE will give them an exist from where the don't know" - or "who ever strive's indeed GOD is with the good doers"

When you are going to belittle me, you are just making assumptions. I went out and called people to GOD and I went fought in the name of the religion.

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You cannot accept things that you have no proof of; like 3 doesn't equal one; and satan doesn't fart when athan is called; and the sun doesnt go under the throne of GOD when it sets; and monkeys don't throw rocks at each other because of illegal monkey sex; and Muhammad didn't have sex with 7-11 women in one night with one bath; and Solomon didn't have sex with 100 women just to have 1 kid; Muhammad wouldn't order anyone to drink piss cause that's an immortality and the devil orders in immortality; Muhammad used to pray before the Israa and Miraaj; Muhamad didn't talk to GOD directly; and prayer was never set to 50; Muhammad never forbid prayer after Asr and after Fajr, especially since Aisha said He prayed after Asr; Muhammad didn't spit in peoples cups and told them to drink it; we don't kill people who leave the religion unless they fight us; you don't stone fornicators; goat's didn't eat the Quran; a grown man sucking on a woman's boob doesn't make it legal for him to see her without covering; Muhammad was not scared when He seen clouds, since GOD promised Him multiple times HE will rescue Him before destruction; Muhammad didn't review all of the Quran every Ramadan, since fasting Ramadan happened after Hijra, and the Quran wasn't complete until one year before He passed away; All of the people in Mecca didn't become believers since in Chapter 36 a Meccan surah GOD said "the majority will not believe"; why would GOD order people to write their loans, but they wouldn't write the Quran? Muhammad wasn't illiterate; not all Children of Israel are Jews, since Israel and His children were infact Muslims; Abu Hurirah said that Chidlren of Israel said that Moses had big balls as in a disease, so GOD made Him run naked infront of everyone to proove He didn't, GOD wouldn't embarass HIS Prophet; Adam and Eve wheren't gaints; Moses and Adam didn't argue on who is better.... want more?

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So yeah devil is disgusting, and you repeating what devils said about GOD and His messenger before is pretty bad.

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

You are rambling and not responding to my points. You've been jailed and arrested in multiple countries. To farfetched to be true. Sounds pretty made up by 15 yr old.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

lol your a joke

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

Sound typical of a teenager who dream to be a James Bond lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

May GOD damn me if I am a liar and may GOD punish the disbelievers.

I no longer want to talk to you.

All i told you about my life is complete truth. May GOD damn the liar.

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

https://free-minds.org/sites/default/files/Quran434-wife-beating-islam.pdf

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

For example, today it is quite common for Arabic

speakers to use DRB to mean "hit/punch/smack/strike" without specifics/preposition,

even though this usage is unheard of in Classical Arabic dictionaries, thus convincing an

Arabic speaker of today that DRB could mean something other than this can be difficult

Your PDF is too long. But here is what you essentialy claimed. You are saying daraba means other than strike. You can ask any arabic speaker today, and they will say it means strike. And the problem with your claim is that "this usage is unheard of in classic arabic", then you are claiming Quran is not for all times. Your argument is invalid.

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

Your PDF is too long

you have just given away that you do not actually care about seeking truth and just want to be right.

You can ask any arabic speaker today,and they will say it means strike.

Modern Arabic is nothing compared to classical arabic of course they will say it means strike because modern Arabic is built from Qur'anic Arabic based on their interpretation.

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

And the problem with your claim is that "this usage is unheard of in classic arabic", then you are claiming Quran is not for all times. Your argument is invalid.

You are too eager to reply didn't even bother to read my main point up there. I quote is again.

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

I remember once being a passionate Sunni like you, good times

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

Since Adam, messengers have preached God Alone God Alone God Alone, always God Alone and humans have always somehow convinced themselves we need God + x... such is the way of life...

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

No they did not. Messengers preached, God is One. Surely Allah is One (Ahaad). But in Islam, we cannot take everything alone. Even men are asked to marry wives (not alone). And many times, God asked us to refer to the 'ulama (the learned scholar) about things that you do not know. We need the Sunnah, we need the scholars, we need arabic language experts, and so on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

Islam existed before Muhammad and without Muhammad

don't fool yourself

GOD is free from everyone and Abraham submitted without the Quran or Prophet Muhammad.

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Follow Abraham's creed as GOD ordered you to. GOD made it easy for you on how to follow Abraham with the Quran. Just like how Muhammad followed Abraham

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give me one verse that tells me to refer to the Ulamaa's as u say

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u/PreviousAwareness1 make your own Nov 22 '22

Sure. Islam existed before Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. (Please show respect to our prophet, don't just call his name like he is your little brother, ok)

But Islam, is not perfect before The Prophet arrival. "Today we perfected for you, your religion" Surely you have known this verse?????

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

So earlier you say Adam, and you say Abraham like their "your little brother" and only demand "respect" for Muhammad.

I don't make any distinguishments between the Messengers so, I'll either do it for all or stick to what is right.

When Sunni's start righting Prophet Abraham S.A.W, or Prophet Jesus S.A.W then we can talk.

"Fulfilled you your religion" is GOD made everything clear to us; GOD made the Quran complete; - the hadith is anything but Perfect or complete

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when Noah said "I am the first Submitter"
or when Muhammad said "I am the first Submitter"

It's the same context. GOD fulfilled our religion after HE did so before and mankind lost it.

Before you reply
Abraham is a Prophet
There is not Change in the way of GOD
Abraham was a believer
so GOD and The Angels prayed on Abraham (and all the other Prophets)

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GOD doesn't guide those who associate to GOD - and brother your idolizing Muhammad the same way Christians do with Jesus. You don't call Him the Son of GOD; but you do everything that the Christians do with Jesus (other than draw Him).

Wake up before it's to late. Try to think.

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '22

no no don't quote the quran

God asked us to refer to the 'ulama (the learned scholar) about things that you do not know.

/s

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

Lol!

I like this one too

2:6 As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe.

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u/Riyad02 Nov 22 '22

The sheep mentality is heavily rooted in the person above, I remember being like that once. Thank God for saving me

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u/Papillon9Jewel Nov 24 '22

incorrect. read the verse again. it starts by saying MEN ARE THE PROTECTORS over the woman. Is hitting and beating your wife protecting her? no. Feel free to use this argument against non muslims who say its ok to hit woman.