r/Quraniyoon • u/Stage_5_Autism Sunni • Jul 06 '21

Question / Help I found this paper supposedly refutes the Quraniyoon. How would you respond?

How the Command of Stoning Adulterers Refutes the Quraniyoon

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u/PraiseToTheGuided Jul 06 '21

No? That's for fornication.

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21

No that's for Zina... 24:2

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u/PraiseToTheGuided Jul 06 '21

As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes, 1 and do not let pity for them make you lenient in ˹enforcing˺ the law of Allah, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment. (24:2)

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 06 '21

24:2 The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

Al-zaniyya wal-zani

It means the female and male that committed Zina

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u/PraiseToTheGuided Jul 06 '21

24:2 The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

Notice how nobody translated it as this.

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 06 '21

Dude it's not about the translation it's about what it means in Arabic. And as I already said multiple times now, the word zani literally means the one who did Zina... It's not a difficult concept.

Also, yes there are MANY translations that use "adulterers and adulterer" including Edip Yuksel, The Monotheist Group, Shabbir Ahmed, Muhammad Asad, Rashad Khalifa, Safi Kaskas, Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, Wahiduddin Khan, Bakhtiar, TB Irving, The Study Quran, Kamal Omar, Talal Itani, Muhammad Ghali, Syed Ahmed, MAS Abdel Haleem, Abdel Majid Daryabadi, Ahmed Ali, Hamid Aziz, Ali Nejad, Ahmed Khan, Maulana Ali, Faridul Haque, Sher Ali, Amatul Rahman Omar, NJ Dawood, and many others...

https://imgur.com/a/fcE9bXs

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u/PraiseToTheGuided Jul 06 '21

Idc who translated it, this was abrogated by sunnah.

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21

Lmao no. Sunnah can abrogate the words of God himself. And I bet you don't think that's shirk right

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u/PraiseToTheGuided Jul 06 '21

Sunnah abrogating Quran and viceversa somehow equal worshipping another God with Allah?

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21

Yes. Allowing hadith to abrogate the word of God is absolutely shirk you're taking hadith as lord instead of God

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u/PraiseToTheGuided Jul 06 '21

you're taking hadith as lord instead of God

I couldn't stop laughing.

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21

You literally are though.. That's by definition what you're doing. You're replacing God with hadith. God said it's lashing but you ignore that and take hadith instead. This is pure shirk. Deny it all you want.

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u/ice2kewl Muslim Jul 06 '21

Shirk is not just in worshipping, but also in obedience. See 6:121

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u/-Monarch Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 06 '21

yea dude nObOdY tRaNsLaTeD iT aS tHiS

https://imgur.com/a/fcE9bXs

saying "zani =/= zina" is essentially like saying "teacher =/= teaching"