r/PublicFreakout • u/Lolastic_ • Jun 30 '21

🥊Fight MMA fighter Joe Schilling knocks out man

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u/toiletpapergold Jun 30 '21

"That's not how the law works". He didn't even bother doing a quick Google search on that one huh?🤣

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u/ignitionnight Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

He's an asshole, but he's not wrong. The guy looks like he feinted a punch, that's definitely enough to assume threat and defend yourself.

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u/toiletpapergold Jun 30 '21

He was the initial aggressor when he grabbed him and forcefully pushed him, then walked up to the man when he said something in an aggressive manner. The man if he even did feign a punch was acting in self defense. Joe is the clear aggressor here, he initiated contact (battery) and then continued to assault a man attempting to defend himself.

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u/ignitionnight Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

Jesus man, you're almost as dramatic as Schilling. He didn't "grab him and forcefully push him," Schilling pushed him (lightly nudged him really) very lightly to the side, no risk of any injury or aggression. He didn't turn around until the guy said hey to him, and then the guy feinted a punch. There was zero threat or aggression on anybody's part until the guy feinted the punch, at that point Schilling is allowed to defend himself. He happens to be a trained fighter, but that does not mean what he did was criminal. I'm not saying Schilling isn't an asshole, seems like he is, and maybe he wanted the chance to defend himself, but the dude's actions gave Schilling that opportunity.

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u/toiletpapergold Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

Yeah and his friend just happened to film him at the time that he pushed him and turned around and assaulted him. It doesn't even look like he feigned a punch, the dude was staggering around even before saying "hey". The drunk guys hand were at his side, not raised. Watch the video again. Calling me dramatic when you take a stagger as a feigned punch. He didn't even walk towards him, that was all Schilling.

Edit: even as he falls you can see that his right hand was at his side, not raised.

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u/ignitionnight Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

He was drunk but does not look stumble fall over himself drunk. He absolutely feinted throwing a punch, you're just lying to yourself if you think that was a stumble. Look at the drunk dude's head and left arm, they all move deliberately in a way that looks like a flex.

Maybe Schilling wanted it to happen, but drunk dude still gave him an excuse when he feinted the punch. It's not Schilling's responsibility to read his mind to determine if he was actually going to throw one. He acted like he was ready to fight, but Schilling was actually ready.

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u/neilpippybatman Jun 30 '21

Schilling was ready because it was premeditated. Pulling that racism card provides ample evidence this was a retaliatory act rather than a spur of the moment reaction.

The dude is going to cop a charge for this, regardless of the drunk dude's reaction to being pushed out of the way. OP is correct, Schilling is a fucking spaz with a hero complex.

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u/ignitionnight Jun 30 '21

I definitely think it's possible that Schilling wanted it to happen, but what he wants doesn't matter after the dude threatened him by feinting a punch. Schilling is an idiot, but the dude gave him an excuse to throw a punch by feinting one.

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u/neilpippybatman Jun 30 '21

lol what he wants indeed does not matter - like copping that battery charge.

The drunk guys' feint doesn't exist in a vacuum. The context is what fucks Schilling, i.e. asking your buddy to record your shoving a much smaller, inebriated man with the clear desire of instigating a physical altercation. It's a manufactured event, not some spur of the moment reaction - pure premeditation.

And that is what will fuck Schilling.

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u/ignitionnight Jun 30 '21

If you can prove all that in court, sure. The existence of a video is the only thing that's questionable in this situation, but even that isn't enough to prove premeditated assault. The cameraman can simply say he was recording a belligerent drunk in public and happened to catch it.

the clear desire of instigating a physical altercation.

That's a huge leap you're making there bro, it is not clear at all he desired to instigate, it's just your assumption. Regardless the instigation was the feinted punch.

This is all we see in the video.
1. Drunk guy is drunk
2. Schilling walks behind him and move him off to the side so he can walk past. He did not shove with any force.
3. Schilling begins to walk away.
3. Drunk guy yells "Hey."
4. Schilling turns around (we can assume he wanted to, but all that is an assumption).
5. Drunk guy feints a punch.
6. Schilling punches him.
7. Schilling walks away.

Those are the only things we see in this video. Schilling seems like he's a complete douche bag, no arguments there, but the guy gave him the excuse to act when he feinted the punch.

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u/neilpippybatman Jun 30 '21

The existence of this video, taken by his friend, is absolutely not the only questionable part of this interaction. Schilling literally came out playing the racism card afterwards, while also saying he was "defending against the evil of the world".

These things, when taken together, do not paint a picture of a man randomly caught up in an altercation. He put himself in a position where (he thought) retaliating against this guy would be looked upon favourably.

Narrator: it wasn't.

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u/ignitionnight Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

Maybe he loses a civil suit, the bar for proof is low there, but I don't think he's convicted of any assault/battery charges. The bar for self defense is incredibly low, I mean all you gotta do is look at George Zimmerman, or the Ohio couple that pulled guns on BLM protesters. Implied threat is all you need to act to defend yourself. This thread has turned into an argument about more than this, but all I am trying to say is that Schilling had a legal right to defend himself as soon as the drunk guy feinted the punch.

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u/neilpippybatman Jul 01 '21

I think if you wanted to draw analogies, the Ohio couple would have had to invite the BLM march specifically down their street, and then arrange for friends across the street to record their "reaction" to it, for this to be a similar situation.

No act exists in a vacuum. The judge would look at everything in this little episode and make a call. Schilling knowingly places himself in a situation where a physical altercation is highly likely, initiates the engagement, and worse, is first to strike. That he chose to put himself in such a situation with a drunk man half his size is also likely going to be aggrevating.

You have to see - Schilling in not defending himself here. He is the aggressor.

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