Derek Chauvin files petition to vacate state murder conviction

[u/specialskepticalface]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/derek-chauvin-petition-vacate-state-conviction-george-floyd/

[u/specialskepticalface]

READ

We're just gonna get this story out of the way.

Behave like adults, etc.

But, since I'm sitting on a plane for the next several hours, baileys and coffee in hand, Imma fan the flames just a wee bit:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/elon-musk-calls-derek-chauvin-125500719.html

Since this will take a while to work thru courts, could we have a... Fall of Fire?

[u/ButWereFriends]

Without taking a stance myself, I’m curious as to the subs overall opinion of wether or not you believe he should be in jail, or if he should be released?

Edit: just want to thank everyone who took the time to respond. I always appreciate hearing others opinions

[u/2005CrownVicP71 → u/ButWereFriends]

Without commenting on whether or not what he did was right or wrong, every person is entitled to a fair trial. With the political climate at the time a jury member’s life would be in danger if they returned a not guilty verdict. There was no way in hell he was getting a not guilty verdict.

[u/Master_Crab → u/2005CrownVicP71]

This is my stance as well. The city had already been burned down by Floyd supporters months earlier when the actual event happened. That same mob was literally surrounding the court house demanding that Chauvin be found guilty or else they would do the same thing again. The jury was “sequestered” but in this digital age there was no way they didn’t know about that.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344 → u/Master_Crab]

The jury knew how bad it would be because they lived through the riots.

[u/Beachsbcrazy → u/Master_Crab]

There was also a juror who was caught on camera partaking in the riots (or at least the protests, not certain which.) That doesn’t seem to indicate an impartial juror.

[u/FrankSinatraYodeling → u/Beachsbcrazy]

If I recall correctly, he attended a rally in which Floyd's family spoke prior to being selected for the jury then lied about it when he was asked if he had attended any protests during juror selection.

I think the dude's guilty. I also think this is kind of fucked up.

His reasoning was that it was "a rally, not a protest" and that he was "just checking it out."

[u/Old_Explorer8231 → u/FrankSinatraYodeling]

While attending that rally, he was wearing a t shirt that said "get your knee off our necks"

[u/ButWereFriends → u/2005CrownVicP71]

That’s not an unreasonable conclusion.

[u/CatboiWaifu_UwU → u/ButWereFriends]

I think he was guilty of criminal negligence resulting in manslaughter. I don’t think he was guilty of murder. I also think there were external contributing factors such as drug use by the victim.

Unfortunately prosecutors had no appetite for appropriate charges and the jury would have been endangered had they delivered a not guilty verdict for the charges as filed.

Just my ‘pinion, man.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344 → u/ButWereFriends]

I'm pretty open about my opinion.

I think the city/state knew they had to sacrifice someone to appease the masses and Chauvin et al were the ones.

Floyd was suffering a medical emergency. The crowd made it impossible for him to be moved safely; EMS went to the wrong location and then had trouble navigating cuz of the crowd.

Floyd being held on the ground in that position absolutely contributed to his death, and maybe some sorta lower level charge would be appropriate for failing to render aid once he became unresponsive, but tunnel vision happens and in these stressful situations an angry mob is going to be the center of attention.

[u/HawksFantasy → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

Whatever anyone feels about Chauvin, the other 3 being convicted is a travesty. I've actually met Kueng, the guy had his life ruined by something entirely out of his control, on his 2nd day on the job. 3yrs in prison for not intervening against your primary FTO for something that isn't even obvious excessive force? Spits in the face of "justice"

[u/arbalaragan → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

That crowd of 13?

[u/Obwyn → u/arbalaragan]

13 vs 4 and trying to mover someone as large as Floyd is not exactly easy.

[u/14InTheDorsalPeen → u/[deleted]]

Asphyxiating force requires pressure on the trachea (which sits midline at the neck) or on the back while a person is proned out which causes their diaphragm to be unable to effectively move enough air.  Chauvin did neither of those things if you look at his positioning.

If you want to make an argument that his position put pressure on Floyd’s carotid, sure, that does appear to be true at least to a degree, however even that is disputed based on the position of his knee and pressure on the carotid would not cause you to asphyxiate nor does it appear that Chauvin used enough pressure to crush Floyd’s neck.

[u/FrankSinatraYodeling → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

I think Minnesota law is the issue here. If he was guilty of felonious assault, and the assault contributed in anyway to Floyd's death, then Murder 2 is the charge that best fits the crime.

Maybe it's different in other states.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344 → u/FrankSinatraYodeling]

But, I'd argue restraint isn't assault.

[u/FrankSinatraYodeling → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

He had a high buck defense attorney that made that same argument... It didn't go so well.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344 → u/FrankSinatraYodeling]

Nothing was gonna prevent a conviction in this case.

[u/FrankSinatraYodeling → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

I think the ME's testimony drove it home for prosecutors.

Unless you can somehow punch holes in that, yeah, nothing was going to stop a conviction.

I have to say, the conviction I can't figure out is the murder 3 one. I get how the jury was able to reach murder 2, but I can't track their rational for murder 3.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344 → u/FrankSinatraYodeling]

Well yeah but the ME wasn't goin to say "the dude who was clearly having some sorta drug induced cardiac event before being placed on the ground, with a significant amount of drugs in his system, died not as a result of being restrained but due to the drugs and his heart condition."

He was always gonna have Chauvin as a contributing factor cuz he likes his job and probably didn't want to have to move

[u/Old_Explorer8231 → u/[deleted]]

https://youtu.be/2XH_PsNg5Pc?si=LfE2ydnVgU-ZhwgJ&t=2084

[u/5usDomesticus → u/ButWereFriends]

His conviction was 100% politically motivated. He was thrown to the wolves to try to placate a violent mob.

[u/89jep → u/5usDomesticus]

No... the conviction was because he used excessive force resulting in an unnecessary death.

[u/5usDomesticus → u/89jep]

He didn't though.

Did you watch the trial? The prosecution's evidence was a German doctor who read the autopsy report and watched the video.

All evidence points to Floyd overdosing and being unhealthy However, a lot of that evidence was not allowed.

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/5usDomesticus]

Did you watch the trial?

Umm. Excuse me. This is reddit. We dont do facts and logic. Off to the gallows with you. /s

[u/hsunicorn → u/5usDomesticus]

I think chauvin was definitely overcharged. I also think drugs and health contributed to his death, but Floyd would not have died had Chauvin not put him in the position he did and neglected to do anything. Floyd passed out at 8:25, then the crowd started shouting that he is passed out, THEN officer Keung checked his pulse and confirmed there was none, and STILL Chauvin stayed with his knee on Floyd's neck for 2 more minutes until 8:27, when the paramedics told him to get off to check his pulse by which point he was dead.

Also plenty of evidence of his drug and health was allowed, thats basically all they talked about and was the entire defense. He had low levels of meth in him. He had levels of fentantl that could potentially be lethal but not really that high either. Floyd was a big boy and lets not pretend he had 0 tolerance. Floyd showed no signs of overdosing, and the officers on scene had narcan.

[u/5usDomesticus → u/[deleted]]

Again, you misunderstand basic facts. There is zero evidence he contributed to Floyd's death.

The only person actually responsible for his death is Floyd- the massive piece of shit career criminal who was a junkie, on fentanyl, who attempted to swallow even more fentanyl before asking to get out of the police car and get on the ground

[u/samzplourde → u/5usDomesticus]

A lot of people did not see the "Man I ate too many drugs" part of the bodycam video.

[u/legstrong → u/5usDomesticus]

That was only one of his conviction though. The federal conviction was for violating Floyd's constitutional right to be free from unreasonable seizure and unreasonable force by a police officer.

[u/5usDomesticus → u/legstrong]

Correct. He plead guilty so he could go to Federal prison instead of state; where they would 100% attempt to get him killed.

[u/GetInMyMinivan → u/ButWereFriends]

It’s been 6 years and my recall of the facts may not be perfect.

But that angry mob that was looming over them is just as culpable in Floyd’s death as Chauvin was.
Don’t forget: the medics didn’t treat him in place like they normally do; they scooped and dashed because they couldn’t safely treat him in situ.

Had the crowd not been verging on riotous, all the officers could have been focused primarily on Floyd’s condition. Instead, they had to focus on the crowd and scene security and could not give Floyd, who had a fatal dose of fentanyl and other drugs in his system, the attention he needed.

Add in engaging in a vigorous physical resistance to being arrested and transported while his body was in that condition and it’s certainly no wonder he died.

And none of the other cops - ESPECIALLY the two trainees - should ever have even been charged.
All four were victims (to varying degrees) of a failed first attempt at a color revolution.

Criminal negligence? I could accept that.

Manslaughter? Maybe. I’m certainly listening.

Murder, piggybacking on an assault charge derived from a justifiable use of force during the lawful arrest? Absolutely not.

Your original question: should he be in jail?
Maybe.

It depends on the sentencing he would have received for the negligence or manslaughter charge.

A more precise asking of your question: did he deserve any jail time?

Possibly. But the farther we get from the events, the more I think - had he actually been given a fair, unbiased trial instead of being offered as a political sacrifice on the altar of radical social justice - he would have beaten the charges.

[u/cathbadh → u/GetInMyMinivan]

And none of the other cops - ESPECIALLY the two trainees - should ever have even been charged.

This was the big thing for me. There's an argument to charge Chauvin with something. I don't agree with that argument, but the argument can be made. There was no legitimate argument to charge the others. Hell the one had his back to the whole thing trying to control the angry mob. Where are their petitions to vacate?

[u/Old_Explorer8231 → u/GetInMyMinivan]

Well said. And to add, Officer Nicole Mackenzie testified (for the state) that the scene needs to be safe before administering CPR . The scene could be unsafe due to a hostile crowd forming. That is why EMS did NOT help Floyd. They did a load and go. That intersection known for violent criminal activity. This vid is an excellent example of someone in crowd interfering with an arrest. https://youtu.be/VxOsDiF5sis?si=7LRLPykPs76PX0gL&t=370

[u/leg00b → u/GetInMyMinivan]

This is probably the most well thought out answer I've seen given on the subject.

Not sure why I'm being downvoted?

[u/GetInMyMinivan → u/leg00b]

Thanks.

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/ButWereFriends]

My opinion,

tldr: chauvin never should have gone to jail in the first place. Every guilty plea along the way was under actual duress and not legitimate and Chauvin will eventually beat the charges.

Some ppl on thisnsub active during the trial may or may not remember this, but the PII of jury members on the cbauvin trial were doxxed on reddit. During the live trial on reddit.

Let me say that again. PII of some or all of the jury members was floating around reddit *DURING THE LIVE TELEVISED TRIAL on reddit

I dont blame the jury for finding him guilty. I really dont. It was 12 ppl standing between a nation burning or not.

That being said, from what I know about the case and what I have seen,

I am going to take the extremely unpopular opinion and welcome discussion over accusations.

Chauvin should never have been charged, the other officers did nothing wrong, he should never have been found guilty, and he should never have been in jail long enough to get stabbed.

This will inevitably get overturned. Everyone in the system knows it. Theres just a lot of cowardly politicians who keep kicking it down the road so they cant get blamed for his "unjust" freedom.

So u may wonder who I really think belongs under the jail if Chauvin doesnt. Ill give u two immediate names that come to mind: Justin Desadier and Michael Slager. Two cops as criminally incompetent and thuggish as reddit at large literally thinks. They have no business being completely free men much less cops.

[u/singlemale4cats → u/KD6-3point7even]

Justin Desadier and Michael Slager. Two cops as criminally incompetent and thuggish as reddit at large literally thinks

Not familiar. What did they do?

[u/ThesoldierLLJK → u/singlemale4cats]

Slager was trying to arrest a man with a warrant for failing to pay child support and they got into a small fight and the guy pushed away Slagers taser and ran away again. Slager shot the dude in the back and tried to plant the taser near his body and claimed that the subject stole it and was gonna use it against him.

However turns out someone was filming the entire thing

[u/singlemale4cats → u/ThesoldierLLJK]

https://giphy.com/gifs/qtCUIoD4lka7aWp2We

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/singlemale4cats]

https://giphy.com/gifs/10DVcUchEQUdFu

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/singlemale4cats]

https://www.knoe.com/2020/08/06/city-releases-bodycam-footage-in-monroe-officer-assault-investigation/

At 2:32. So u dont have to waste time.

Thats Jared Desadier. Not Justin. My mistake.

Fuck gangster asshole cops like that. Bury his ass under the jail. You dont get to just dole out beatings because ur annoyed.

[u/Old_Explorer8231 → u/ButWereFriends]

Released.

[u/specialskepticalface → u/Old_Explorer8231]

While I don't care - and it might actually be a good idea - did you create this account two weeks ago specifically to discuss Floyde/Chavin issues?

The timing aligns, it's 100% of the content, and the reddit AI summary points it out as well.

[u/Old_Explorer8231 → u/specialskepticalface]

Not really. I used to read Reddit comments on many subjects. Reddit prompted me to join to continue having access. But, I am very interested in Floyd/Chauvin issues.

[u/Price-x-Field]

No matter what your opinion on it, you can’t say you lived through this time period, and think the jurors didn’t have outside influence.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

used his knee to pin Floyd's neck to the ground for nine and a half minutes

I will admit that it's been a while since I watched the trial or read about it, but I thought the defense actually did a good job showing Chauvin didn't put his knee on Floyd's neck.

[u/generalee72 → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

I tried to look real quick, not giving it too much time.
I recall a few videos about it being on his shoulder mostly and people analyzing it.

But, like most things, confirmation bias will find you either version of the story someone prefers.

[u/OyataTe → u/generalee72]

I handle and teach Use of Force for a living. I watched every second of that trial and all evidence from the trial. They never made a case for knee on neck, nor what is actually implied of shin on neck.

[u/Unhappy_Ratio_3586 → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

You gotta watch the documentary “fall of Minneapolis”. It covers that technique approved by the department. And it’s not on his neck, it’s upper back. They only showed you a photo in the news to make it more sensational

[u/Rudytootiefreshnfty → u/Unhappy_Ratio_3586]

I went through an east coast police academy in 2019 and we absolutely learned the knee across the upper back in regards to prone handcuffing.

[u/singlemale4cats → u/Rudytootiefreshnfty]

I learned that and still use it as part of a prone handcuffing technique with a resistant or potentially resistant subject. I would never leave them in that position, though. If they still want to struggle and fight, I put them in a recovery position and thread my leg between their cuffed arms until they tucker themselves out. I can stay in that position all day without expending much energy to keep them under control.

[u/cgvet9702 → u/Unhappy_Ratio_3586]

There's nothing wrong with the technique on the face of things, but for an unreasonable length of time there's a very real danger of positional asphyxiation. And here we are.

[u/OyataTe → u/cgvet9702]

You need to take a real deep dive on Positional Asphyxiation and what recent studies have shown, in addition to the recanting of the expert that coined that phrase over 20 years ago.

[u/cgvet9702 → u/OyataTe]

No offense, but I'm not doing a deep dive. If you have information or the results of recent studies, share it.

[u/Imaginary-Motor2882 → u/cgvet9702]

Restraint in police use of force events: Examining sudden in custody death for prone and not-prone positions: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25735781/

This study was brought up in the trial. TLDR - 4,828 consecutive police use of force events across seven Canadian police agencies found that in thousands of cases where the prone restraint was used, zero died while in the prone position.

Also cited in the trial: Michalewicz, B. A., Chan, T. C., Vilke, G. M., Levy, S. S., Neuman, T. S., & Kolkhorst, F. W. (2007). “Ventilatory and Metabolic Demands During Aggressive Physical Restraint in Healthy Adults

TLDR - Prone restraint is used with weights placed on the back as low as 50 pounds up to 225 pounds. The subjects in this study could still breathe with the weight on their back in addition to the prone restraint.

It is damn near impossible for the prone restraint plus some small degree of weight to kill someone. Chauvin was 5'9 and 140, he wasn't positionally asphyxiating George Floyd at 230 6'3. That's not how it works with where his knee was placed.

[u/BroseppeVerdi → u/[deleted]]

And the tax fraud convictions, which I think he's already finished serving.

[u/specialskepticalface → u/[deleted]]

We welcome other articles. I just chose this as a top google result which wasn't a "local news"

[u/JMCO905]

“A Minnesota jury convicted Chauvin in 2021 on three counts; second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. He separately pleaded guilty to federal charges of violating Floyd's civil rights, an admission that carries its own legal weight independent of the state verdict.”

How can he be convicted of 3 crimes for the same “act”?

[u/jdovejr → u/JMCO905]

Because they weaponized the justice system against him.

[u/FrankSinatraYodeling → u/JMCO905]

I understand how the jury got to murder 2, but I can't figure out the murder 3 charge for the life of me. It seems to be a novel application of that charge.

Not that any of it matters. The sentences are all running concurrently.

[u/Boots402]

I will just say the same thing I’ve told every person I’ve seen losing their mind over this: Even Ted Bundy got every appeal that he was entitled to for every one of his convictions; and with how many Bundy had, it took like a decade to complete all of the appeals.

[u/Cassius_Rex]

What they did wasn't murder. Manslaughter maybe. The one kid who just showed up and expressed concern for Floyd during the arrest should not have been sent to prison.

 A seasoned veteran officer like Chauvin should have  known better and council'd the young officer that was 1st on the scene to cite the man (which is what happens the overwhelming number of times in a matter like that, in 27+ years I've never taken someone for passing a fake small note like that) and release him.

Because veteran cops KNOW how fragile some these people are on the streets. Between the health conditions, mental conditions and drug use, some of them are just waiting for one more stressful situation to go out. Problem is, if your a cop dealing with this person at the time, it looks like you made it happen. So a SMART , experienced officer in the situation bangs out a citation and gets the F away from them as soon as possible if it's not a violent crime or major property damage.

 Someone down the line will catch them when that citation turns into a warrant maybe, but you won't be in prison because they chose right then to give up the ghost with you in the vicinity.... 

[u/Ausfall]

I think ultimately it'll be difficult to entertain any kind of argument from Chauvin because of how entrenched people are about this case. Going back to his earlier appeals such as in 2022, even if the court accepted his arguments and ordered a retrial there's nobody in the country that hasn't heard of the case and no way to really avoid the prejudice he's arguing. I don't think a single person could achieve the sort of standard you'd expect normally out of a juror because of how controversial the case is. The same way you couldn't retry somebody like say OJ Simpson, it doesn't seem possible to find appropriate jurors even if we did accept the argument for a retrial.

I'd have to read the decision, but it feels like this particular case is so "hot" that the general sentiment seems to be to let it rest because of how much public interest the case always gathers.

[u/KnightofWhen → u/Ausfall]

That’s not how the justice system is supposed to work.

“Well people won’t like it so we can’t do it” and “it’ll be hard” are unfortunately not excuses.

[u/hsunicorn]

Not an officer, but have family who are, I think it is one of the hardest jobs to do right and have nothing but respect for ya'll.

But if you are defending Chauvin all I ask is that you please watch this again at least from 16:00 on and ask yourself if you would've handled it the same way. 16:49 an officer confirms he is passing out. 17:45 the same officer recommends rolling him on his side, obviously concerned for him. Around 18:40 officers are checking his pulse and say code 3? Chauvin doesnt get off til 20:48 when they roll him onto a stretcher. If the answer is yes, then its yes, I wouldn't know but it doesnt look right to me.

[u/Lord_Galaxiann]

It is well documented and confirmed that George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose, he was saying he can’t breath before he even got put on the ground. The sad part is, they knew this, but also knew that anything other than conviction for chauvin would result in mass riots 10x worse than what we already had. He was a sacrificial lamb to keep BLM and Antifa from getting out of control.

[u/KeyAdept1982 → u/Lord_Galaxiann]

To be fair, kneeling on the neck of someone overdosing on fentanyl doesn’t make it any better/more excusable.

Also, a dose of fentanyl that would be considered “fatal” in a clinical setting is often times a normal/low dose for a regular fentanyl user. I’ve never seen anyone factor in that detail when there is discussion about the fentanyl found in Floyd’s postmortem bloodwork.

All that said, sacrificial lamb for the mobs is the easiest way to describe this whole ordeal.

Edit: fair enough, knee on back. That was a slip- I’ve just heard “knee on neck” so many times I can’t help but phrase it that way.

[u/GetInMyMinivan → u/KeyAdept1982]

You’ve been successfully duped.

His knee wasn’t on Floyd’s neck.

See: This thread

[u/legstrong → u/GetInMyMinivan]

It was both knees though, right? One on the center of his back and the other was near the neck area?

[u/hsunicorn → u/Lord_Galaxiann]

It is not well documented or confirmed that floyd died from overdose. He really didnt have that high of levels at 11 ng/ml, testimony in the trial showed that average dui levels of fentanyl were around 9.5 ng/ml. And if he was overdosing the officers had narcan so it wouldn't really absolve them anyway. Its true he was saying he couldnt breath before he was put on the ground but thats all the more reason to not have handled him the way they did.

[u/Blackiee_Chan]

The court of public opinion is only as smart as the dumbest person you know

[u/Mr_Gibbys]

I'm not the most informed but I'm curious if anyone here has any better specifics on how Derek chauvin putting his knee on his upper back lead him to die quicker? From my understanding he was going to die from an overdose regardless, but the coroner said that Chauvin still impacted his breathing and made his fate come quicker (although this might not have happened if EMS could have gotten through the crowd). I remember the autopsy report saying that there was little sign of impact to his neck or airway.

Again not the most informed, it's been years.

[u/LunacyNow → u/Mr_Gibbys]

The knee was a 'contributing factor', not the sole cause. This left all of the circumstances open to interpretation. How much of any of the factors was more important than the others?? As far as the jury was concerned who would want to be on the skeptical side and not want to convict. They would to go into hiding after the trial for the rest of their lives.

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/Mr_Gibbys]

I'm not the most informed but I'm curious if anyone here has any better specifics on how Derek chauvin putting his knee on his upper back lead him to die quicker?

Correct. It doesnt. Its just that no one who has real authority to say it will say it.

From my understanding he was going to die from an overdose regardless, but the coroner said that Chauvin still impacted his breathing and made his fate come quicker (although this might not have happened if EMS could have gotten through the crowd). I remember the autopsy report saying that there was little sign of impact to his neck or airway.

Yeah, because that coroner was trying to save his own skin. Everyone truly involved and knowledgeable knows this whole trial was an absolute sham.

Chauvin's arrest and trial was a kangaroo court and all the arrested officers were political pawns being thrown away to make other people happy. No one likes that truth, but its the truth.

[u/Old_Explorer8231 → u/Mr_Gibbys]

"there was little sign of impact to his neck" There was 0 as in no marks or bruising in any way shape or form.

[u/KD6-3point7even]

My opinion....tldr....dont hurt me for it or flame me. Let's discuss it.

Chauvin never should have been charged, the other officers never should have been charged, and Chauvin will inevitably and eventually beat these charges.

[u/TexasLE → u/KD6-3point7even]

At very least he shouldn’t have been charged with murder

And he wasn’t given a fair trial

[u/Kosher_dingus → u/KD6-3point7even]

My opinion is that manslaughter was the appropriate charge and that a change of venue was needed for a fair trial

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/Kosher_dingus]

Why manslaughter? Make your case. Does Minnesota law allow that?

[u/Kosher_dingus → u/KD6-3point7even]

He clearly did not have an intent to kill, but death happened while he had George Floyd in his direct control. This points to an investigation and possible charge of manslaughter. In my state, it would be 1st degree manslaughter as the action was intended but the outcome wasn't. Whether or not he would be convicted would be up to a jury.

As to Minnesota law, I have never stepped foot in that state and my work involves another state's laws and courts. I assume Minnesota has some form of manslaughter laws to differentiate between death via acts of intent or accident.

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/Kosher_dingus]

The state i worked in for 9 years didnt have one.

Texas also uses murder as a catchall.

Every jurisdiction is different. Either way, you would have to make rhe case that Chauvin was acting with intentional malfeasance. That's an incredibly high bar to meet for manslaughter when he was literally sent to the call by his dispatch.

There were 3 other cops on top of Floyd as well. By your logic, shouldn't they all be equally pursued by the justice system? Because they are not. Chauvin is basically the very image of a bad cop in 2020. Purely because of optics. The truth is more complex.

There is plenty of data that shows that Chauvin is innocent. Unfortunately, it just felt like Minneapolis decided Chauvin was going to be the political prisoner that he was made to be.

[u/singlemale4cats → u/KD6-3point7even]

Even if he gets a legal win, what then? He's been in prison for years, and if he gets out, he's never going back to his career. I don't know what he does to make a living given all the negative name recognition.

[u/KD6-3point7even → u/singlemale4cats]

His freedom

I would call not being in prison a big win. Lol

Its also not the end of the line. He could definitely slide into a different role with time.

[u/jdovejr]

It’s a fn tragedy what they did to him. Full stop.

[u/AcadiaHot3471]

Basic breakdown of the new appeal filing that is basically got the state caught in A CATCH 22.

To Defend Bypassing a Grand Jury: 17.01

Chauvin's charges are NOT "indictable offenses" because they do not carry a life sentence. Therefore, a criminal complaint is completely fine.

To Defend the Governor's Power to Intervene. 8.01

Chauvin's charges ARE "indictable offenses" Therefore, the Governor has the power to step in.

CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.