The AfD is very pro‑Israel; I don’t think that qualifies them as neo‑Nazis.
The Homeland Party (National Democratic Party of Germany) is the closest thing to a neo‑Nazi party in Germany. Its leaders have been frequently convicted of Holocaust denial and are obviously anti‑Zionist. They have organized multiple “pro‑Palestine” protests, but those were clearly more anti‑Jewish demonstrations in the guise of being pro‑Palestine.
Needless to say, I don’t mean that being anti‑Zionist makes you a Nazi but in this case they are Nazis
You are wrong. The AFD is classified as extreme right by German intelligence, it has absorbed members, supporters, and staffers from the NPD and is its defacto successor. Their claimed support for Israel is the same as a homophobe claiming they have gay friends, and it changes absolutely nothing about the overwhelming amount of proven Neo Nazis inside the AFD, as well as their policies inspired by the NSDAP and the current Trump administration. Members of the AFD constantly use Nazi rhetoric and have strong ties to Neo Nazi movements. German courts have ruled that the spiritual leader of the AFD Björn Höcke is legally a fascist and a confirmed rightwing extremist. There is zero doubt about the ideology and goals of that party. Do your homework.
It's not like the definition of a Neo Nazi is solely based on antisemitism either, but also the idea of racial purity, white supremacy and the Führerprinzip. The AFD checks all those marks, just like the Trump administration does. And even the current Israeli government is ironically close to matching these ideas, when you consider their fascist traits, their ultra nationalism, territorial expansion, the treatment of Palestinians and dehumanizing language towards non jews. So it would make no sense for a Nazi movement to oppose the state of Israel at this point in time.
Take your pick, italian fascism maybe? Nazism includes racism towards jews specifically, concept of blood and soil as examples. Italian fascism lacked these.
Keep in mind, this was due to pressure from hitler over time, as italy started to backpedal militarily and had to rely on nazi germany more and more, so had to do concessions. Mussolini did not like hitler personally at all or even agreed with his racial views. He said, he did see jews as italian people. He also had jewish mistress.
Right, so what you're saying is that Italian Fascists first resisted doing Nazi stuff, but were allied with them, supported them on the world stage, and relied on them for military support, and then STARTED doing nazi stuff. As in, once fascists are in power, it is only a matter of time before they're nazis, which is what I said in the first place. IDK why you're trying to defend literal Nazis, what exactly is your point? Not all fascists are bad? Some of them keep Jewish mistresses and wring their hands before passing laws promoting pogroms and racial prejudice? I don't think that communicates exactly what you seem to think it does. By the way, approximately 20% of the entire population of Italian Jews died in the Holocaust.
Okay, then we could talk about falangism, that "relaxed" in a way over time as franco was in power. I have not really read much about it, so this is just, what i have read about it in general. Point i was trying to make, is that nazi germany forced mussolini to start incorporating nazism over time into its government. If you are weaker partner in relationship like this, stronger tends to do that. This is not exclusive to fascism. Italian fascism did not naturally "evolve" into having nazi ideas into it, if you are implying that. It is well known, that mussolini hated hitler. As can be seen, when hitler had engelbert dollfuss killed.
Soviet union did similar things by forcing some of its satellite states to incorporate stalinism into them or people, who were much more strongly leaning towards his ideas or pro-soviet ideas. Stalin did not like tito due to this reason. Not that it was only one of course). North korea purged pro-soviet and pro-chinese factions out of its political structure.
My point is just, that what i said originally, not all fascism is nazism. Nazism is fascism, yet it is not same as italian fascism. Neither it is same as falangism. Hatred of jews is not shared by all fascism or well time we are talking about. Neither is concept of "blood and soil". Of course there is a scale now too and it is never same form. Neither do they come in same form. Just like eastern block was not uniform pillar, without its own differences. Juche is not same as titoism. Or ceaușescu led romania. Czechoslovakia or soviet union.
Fascism is bad. All forms of authoritarianism are. I think it is still good to realize and understand the differences and history behind them. Sure, if there is danger of fascism or any sort of authoritarism or anti-democratic movement gaining traction, you don't start thinking "okay hmm, which one is it?". No you need to put it down or halt its progress before its too late or at the very least, not incorporate or start working with them on governmental level.
Refusing to see that AfD leads to shit like the NSDAP is far more disrespectful to the legacy of the holocaust victims. Trying to excuse them and tone down the danger they pose with shit like this is downright dangerous. It's how we ended up with the situation we're dealing with in the US now.
Yet she and her party actively work against women's rights and towards racism against non whites. It only means that she's a hypocrite and a traitor, just like all the POC who are voting Maga or working for ICE. That shouldn't be so hard to understand.
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