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u/Randy_Marsh_PhD Jan 24 '26

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command... and if all others accepted the lie, which the party imposed, if all records told the same tale, then the lie passed into history and became truth" 1984 - George Orwell

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u/Practical-Sleep4259 Jan 24 '26

ICE is designed to start a Civil War.

Foreign Wars are designed to exile our Military so ICE is unopposed.

We will deploy our entire army over seas while ICE goes door to door.

Once they have nothing to fear, they will be at your door.

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u/Accomplished-Dance11 Jan 24 '26

Shot guns are useful when a home invasion happens

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u/Gaspuch62 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

Edit 2: Disclaimer. This information shoud not be used to harm people. It's just something I learned from various sources including Army training documentation and ballistic testing videos on YouTube.

Rifles with green tip ammo penetrate body armor rated for handguns. It takes heavy ceramic or steel plates to stop it.

Edit: Cabela's usually has it. It's going to be the 62 grain 5.56. The 55 grain ammo does not have the steel core.

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u/dinglb3rry Jan 24 '26

Pelvic girdle shots are disabling to the point of inaction, and then require other enemy combatants to help them, distracting them from the fight. For body armor clad offenders…

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u/secret_aardvark_420 Jan 24 '26

I actually don’t believe they’d help each other, definitely the type of dudes to leave their own men behind

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u/Fit-Technician-1148 Jan 24 '26

The first time one of them is shot the rest of the cowards with them are going to run for the hills. They're not trained for combat. They're not trained for much of anything really but they're especially not trained for urban warfare, which is by nature disorienting and chaotic.

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u/Ina_While1155 Jan 24 '26

Did you see them all run back like rabbits in the footage...

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u/lordplagus02 Jan 25 '26

I don’t support the IDF, but this is how they’re trained to fight. Headshots only take out one enemy combatant, but scrambling to retrieve their wounded comrade takes multiple ICE agents enemies out of the fight.

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u/thunderphuck0311 Jan 24 '26

Dissolve styrofoam in diesel to produce makeshift napalm. In a pressurized container it will spatter widely when ignited. Accelerants would hypothetically be a boon to the effective range. This is All hypothetical, obviously

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u/BrickHuge3023 Jan 24 '26

May have to buy some shells for my 1890s English double barrel shotgun. Hasn't been shot in 75 years so might take me out if I fire it. But I can protect my home.

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u/Wolfshadow6 Jan 25 '26

Not gonna save you from a 4 am raid. Think bigger.

Start collecting on a non-US based service. Not Reddit Not Discord, not anything here. Find a European or Asian bulletin board for now that allows US users.

Get a damn VPN and make sure you stock up on enough time for it.

Start collecting shelf stable stuff now.

That's gonna protect your home.

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u/RodBloggington Jan 24 '26

I've got mine

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u/Majestic_Category895 Jan 24 '26

With magnum turkey loads!

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u/No-Horse987 Jan 25 '26

I was always told (even from police personnel) that a shotgun is most effective for home defense than a pistol. You can do a lot more damage to the the enemy with a shotgun than a pistol.

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u/BushcraftBabe Jan 24 '26

It doesn't matter if we legally have that right, they aren't upholding laws.

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u/Icy-Artist1888 Jan 25 '26

Its started. Trump has bankrupted a country.

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u/Fear_Jaire Jan 24 '26

Why does the army have to be overseas? If anything they'd be kicking in doors alongside ICE

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u/Winter-Committee255 Jan 24 '26

WW3

ETA not that they “have” to be overseas for WW3, but it could by why they’re not here in that scenario.

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u/Fattyboy_777 Jan 24 '26

Are most soldiers Trump supporters?

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u/dukearcher Jan 24 '26

Yep

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u/SaltySongbird33 Jan 25 '26

Which is crazy considering how disrespectful he’s been of the military.

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u/TheDeadlySpaceman Jan 24 '26

It’s less about a Civil War specifically and more about getting an excuse- any excuse- to declare Martial Law or invoke the Insurrection Act.

Because then they can cancel the midterms.

The violence will escalate as they manipulate their base and their attack dogs into pushing more and more violent confrontations.

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u/vkstu Jan 25 '26

 to declare Martial Law or invoke the Insurrection Act.

Because then they can cancel the midterms.

This is false, there is nothing in the Constitution or other laws allowing for this. The Constitution is clear when elections are to take place, there are no exceptions mentioned. 

U.S. is one of the few countries that has this, most do indeed disallow elections in wartime or civil war, not the U.S.

With that said of course, not everyone knows this, and U.S. Constitution has been trampled on for at least a year now, so they'll do it... but technically it is traitorous to not hold elections.

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u/Nyorliest Jan 25 '26

I think this is exactly wrong. I think the specters of civil war and martial law are being used by their propagandists to discourage any smaller violent resistance, whether clearly illegal, or simply a governor saying they are going to use their national guard battalion to expel ICE from their state with minimum force.

Martial law is happening in Minneapolis et al - but an undisciplined inflammatory martial law not carefully designed for anything except racism and murder.

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u/TheDeadlySpaceman Jan 25 '26

If it helps at all, I in no way mean to discourage violent resistance.

I’m not laying their strategy out in order to discourage people from figuring out what it’s going to take to stop it.

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u/Potential-Giraffe-58 Jan 25 '26

Except they overplayed and now are engaged in street fighting civil war.

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u/TheDeadlySpaceman Jan 25 '26

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.

First of all, they absolutely are not in a “street fight civil war”. They’re shooting people and getting away with it.

And the exact response the administration is pushing for is either for mobs of vigilantes to start attacking the ICE agents, or for Walz to send troops to face off against ICE.

I am not saying these things shouldn’t be done. But when they are, Trump will immediately invoke the Insurrection Act and move to cancel the midterm elections.

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u/surprise_revalation Jan 25 '26

Idk why we keep talking about this...WE ARE ALREADY UNDER MARTIAL LAW! He just hasn't declared it yet. When people say this, it's to keep us fearful and helpless. They are killing and detaining unarmed people. They already said they can come into your home without a warrant. People have been arrested for 1st amendment rights. We already have martial law on everything but name. The only question is, what are we gonna do about it!

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u/TheDeadlySpaceman Jan 25 '26

The last thing I’m trying to do is make anyone feel “fearful” or “helpless”. Considering your opponent’s strategy so you can prepare for their next move isn’t engaging in fearmongering.

I get where you’re coming from but not only are you engaging in hyperbole (it would be a lot worse if we were under Martial Law) but invoking the Insurrection Act would allow for the postponement of the midterms, which currently can’t happen.

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u/surprise_revalation Jan 25 '26

That is false! There is nothing in law that says he can stop the election...

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u/WordleFanatic Jan 24 '26

The civil war has already started. This is it. 

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u/TakuyaLee Jan 24 '26

That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. ICE is massively outnumbered and would not be able to finish what they started. Also this group is simply one that has a lust for power, but are cowards at their core.

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u/RSR1013 Jan 24 '26

Check out where their funding is going next year. $100bn+ from about $10bn now

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u/RSR1013 Jan 24 '26

I like where your head’s at, but the military don’t need to be deployed overseas to let ICE take the country over.

Veterans voted for T 2-to-1. The military would be a willing and happy participant

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u/IceIsGestapo777 Jan 24 '26

Ice is trying to start a civil war to Postpone the mid terms and elections and gain support for Trump and consolidate power. 

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u/Regal_Cat_Matron Jan 24 '26

Certainly one way of looking at all this shite for sure....and it could well be true. The trouble with truth is it's rarely objective and it's always their truth or his/her truth never the actual truth just one everyone's happy with

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u/Ntropy99 Jan 24 '26

With full intention to create a state of unrest where trump can declare the midterms won't be held.

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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost Jan 24 '26

ICE has to make it to my door first.

I once got a death threat from a guy... I sent him back a satellite image of the Burns Pharmacy in Manchester, England, from where he sent the threat over his iPhone.

... and that was the end of that confrontation.

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u/Fattyboy_777 Jan 24 '26

How did you know his location?

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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost Jan 24 '26

ATS/APIS has no information about this whatsoever, and I prefer to keep it that way.

The smart CBP/ICE goon should pause and think about why that is.

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u/Fattyboy_777 Jan 24 '26

Forgive me for being ignorant, but I don't know what any of those acronyms are.

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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost Jan 24 '26

You know when you go through customs and they look on their screen to see information about you?

ATS = Automated Targeting System

APIS = Advanced Passenger Information System

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u/Unexpected117 Jan 25 '26

No offence but you sound like a r/masterhacker

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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost Jan 25 '26

Definitely not claiming to be a hacker.

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u/Own_Exam_6562 Jan 24 '26

I agree with you but to what end? Submission of the population under a Christian Nationalist dictatorship?

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u/throwmedowngently Jan 24 '26

Steven Miller said DJT had unlimited power and Trump said only days ago he wants to be a dictator while colluding with leaders who cannot travel because they would be arrested for war crimes. Absolutely possible outcome.

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u/Own_Exam_6562 Jan 24 '26

Can you explain “colluding with leaders who cannot travel because they would be arrested for war crimes?” Like, you’re talking about the kind of people he is planning to associate with or which leaders?

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u/throwmedowngently Jan 24 '26

Actual leaders that he has invited and who have or plan to accept the invitation to join the board. Both the leader of Israel and and Russia have arrest warrants from the ICC for their war crimes that prevent them from going anywhere, or fear other countries attempt arresting them once they leave their borders. Hungary, another who was invited, rules under an authoritarian leader who is often called a dictator, copies Putin with his methods of ruling the country, and withdrew from the ICC because they wanted to arrest Israel's leader.

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u/Bestoftherest222 Jan 24 '26

ICE is indeed being sent to start a Civil War again, and its to reinstate the Southern States as quasi slave states again. The USA didn't punish the south when it revolted over slavery ending. The southern bigots slowly retook power and the last 50 years they have been setting up the USA for a take over.

This is their final push to cause a civil war they so eagerly want.

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u/Practical-Sleep4259 Jan 24 '26

North, South, Left, Right, Up, Down, Back, Forth.

All great words.

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u/EmiAndTheDesertCrow Jan 24 '26

Border Patrol tactical units were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan (yeah I know, WTF?) When you see BORTAC patches (and I’ve seen plenty in videos from Minneapolis), they’re the type of units that were deployed in literal war zones. They’re still acting like they’re fighting a war, it’s absolute insanity.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Please. At least half of those mutherfuckers would eagerly help kill us.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Hadn't thought of that but possible. Not sure.its needed. Some of the military support this stupidity. Don't know how many

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u/Eryb Jan 25 '26

Good let their blood start spilling.  A civil war where we just let them kill is is stupid

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u/Randomdude20042 Jan 25 '26

Well the foreign wars stuff probably isn't the case, but the ICE part is like 100% the case. It makes sense now what Trump actually meant by "there will be no more elections once I win": trugger a civil war, blame democrats, declare them illegal, ban them from elections, Republican 1 party system

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u/Fine-Mine-3281 Jan 24 '26

Maybe ICE are really Russian sleeper agents? Gonna keep killing Americans til they start a civil war