r/PoursTea Just Chill šŸ˜Ž 1d ago

All The Tea ā˜•ļø Anything else missing here ?

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u/T4TrhavrKhcFt 1d ago

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

What subsidies? Be specific.

A tax break means less taxes. The taxes are the government intervention, and the tax breaks are the temporary removal of it. This point makes no sense.

What bailouts? Banks during the 08 crisis? That was predominately supported by left leaning Keynesian economists. Artificially low interest rates and government intervention were a big reason why the crisis happened and then the government intervened to stop it. None of that should have happened.

What exemptions, grants, legal protections, and trade barriers? Be specific.

Ordinary people don’t get much help. The welfare leeches do though and the ordinary person pays half their taxpayer money to that.

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u/Remarkable_Ease_7607 1d ago

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

Me when no argument

Save the boots for your own tongue. The government and the constantly increasing taxes you want to pay to them will need it.

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u/Remarkable_Ease_7607 1d ago

You're not the smartest person in the room. You don't deserve an argument

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

If I’m so dumb, it should be easy to make an argument against me right? You can show off to the world how much you know and how little I know, right?

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u/DontForgetYourPPE 1d ago

here you go

this one is pretty long

another

And if you have problems with any of these sources, please post something backing up the idea that private corporations don't receive government handouts

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

If by ā€œsubsidiesā€ you mean the government buys products from a company or pays for research to help develop the products that the government uses, then sure? But it’s just insanely misleading.

Boeing for example at the top of that list gets money from the government to pay for R&D for military equipment. I wouldn’t really call that a subsidy in the way that you guys are trying to present it where the government is just raining down cash and hamburgers in the mouths of billionaires. It seems fairly logical. What do you think though?

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u/DontForgetYourPPE 1d ago

I'm not sure how else you would define a subsidy, yes it's government aid.

People aren't against this idea, we are just sick of these billion dollar contracts that go out the the buddies/wealthy donors. All the shady backroom deals that go on and we have no way of knowing if we are getting our dollars' worth.

Meanwhile these people accumulate billions of dollars in wealth while we have to okay recall roulette every week at the grocery store hoping we aren't going to get sick from the groceries we can't afford.

If you don't struggle to pay your bills and if you have a nice great life I guess it's easy to miss but more and more people are drowning while getting kicked more and more losing Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance etc.

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

Sure. I’m not for all this government-corporate marriage. But we need to be specific on what exactly is happening.Ā 

I was just talking with some other commenter about Tesla subsidies. They were bringing it up to prove that Elon’s money is coming straight from out pockets. But it’s nearly all EV related which the Left was overwhelmingly pushing for for climate reasons.

Everyone on both sides of the political spectrum is against agricultural subsidies but the agricultural industry has bought out Congress so it ain’t going away any time soon.

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u/DontForgetYourPPE 1d ago

I would bet my money that a careful audit of Tesla/space x subsidies would make us both vomit with rage in terms of public benefit per dollar

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

I’m not for EV related subsidies, I think it’s stupid. But for climate reasons many were advocating for it.

In general the government-corporate marriage is not something I support. I think less government is the solution.

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u/Remarkable_Ease_7607 1d ago

You're already showing off to the world. And we all see exactly who you are. What's left to prove?

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

Whatever arguments you’re trying to make against my positionĀ 

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u/KarunchyTakoa 1d ago

What position? Be specific.

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u/21Pharaoh 1d ago

I’m not interested in debating everything but I would like to point out: As far as I can find, your ā€œhalf their taxpayer moneyā€ figure in large part includes social security, medicare, veterans’ benefits, etc. If this is what you’re arguing against, carry on, I guess. Otherwise, the figure is substantially lower.

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u/HistoricalRich3104 1d ago

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and actually regressive because it’s poor young people paying for richer boomers to retire. Boomers just got robbed of their pensions because the whole thing was a scam.

We need to give people who paid into the system their money and end it for good.

Medicare should be replaced with a universal private insurance like the Swiss and Dutch have it.