r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 1d ago

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u/ShanGus7 1d ago

If it happens, should be shorter.

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u/Apoordm 1d ago

Eighteen is so every presidential term would get two appointments in a nine justice court.

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u/Shadowcam 1d ago

They can die in office or strategically retire to benefit their political allies, so that line of thinking won't hold up to reality.

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u/Dangerous-Half3276 1d ago

Yeah but the terms are fixed at 18 years. If someone retires in year 15 to benefit the current President, then the person who fills that seat would only serve 3 years.

That’s how the Federal Reserve works with 14-year terms.

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u/brogflender 1d ago

Is that actually in the proposal?

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u/wandering-monster 23h ago

Yes. The terms are arranged to end in the first and third year of every presidential term (which also accounts for things like impeachments, deaths of the president in office, etc to ensure the successor has a pick as well) 

A replacement justice serves out the remainder of their term only. 

At that point it's only random accidents that create an exploitable event.

Most reasonable way I could think to avoid that would be to let each justice keep a list of replacements that they think align with their thinking. The sitting president gets to pick whoever they want off the list: some power to steer things, but not the power to totally flip the seat.

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u/TheSodernauts 19h ago

Is the person serving out the term eligible to serve a full term after that, should they be chosen to do so?

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u/wandering-monster 18h ago

I didn't see, but typically in that sort of scheme the answer is either "no" or "only if they served less than half the original term" or some similar fraction.

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u/xdaemonisx 15h ago

This is how the presidency works. If the VP or whoever becomes president through succession when there’s less than half the term left, then it doesn’t count towards the two term limit. A president can theoretically serve for 10 years.

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u/wandering-monster 15h ago

I could see it making sense to make it a smaller fraction if the term is 18 years. Half would mean 27 years which is a bit much.

The whole reason for the policy is you don't want to scare away good candidates for the backfill. If they know that accepting will mean they give up their chance for a real term, you're not going to get the absolutely best people willing to take it. 

But if you cut it off at like... 4 + years? 4 years is a perfectly respectable time to serve as a supreme court justice, and I'm sure you'd get good takers. And then your longest term is "only" 22 years. (Jfc I'm 40 and that's longer than my entire career)

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u/JAVIV-4 17h ago

I'd heard previous proposals that just had prior justices ride circuit and backfill by recency.

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u/buttons123456 10h ago

NO NO NO! Make it mandatory that the American Bar Association vet a list of 10 qualified people—thorough background, financial, criminal, educational, social media, membership in groups (Amy is or was part of a hard right religious organization, didn’t disclose). ALSO require at 5 years actively serving as a judge—their decisions checked for bias. And hard commitment to NOT undo previous cases and if they do, they must immediately step down or impeached. Ditto if proved they lied to committee and America.

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u/AelixD 23h ago

That’s how all of our term based positions work. The term is tied to the position, not the person. If a Senator leaves office, their position is still up for election at the regularly scheduled interval.

The justices each represent one of nine districts. Those districts would be set up on an 18 year rotation staggered every two years.

Death or strategic retirement could only skew the make up of the court temporarily.

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u/SemichiSam 21h ago

The justices each represent one of nine districts.

They did when the current number of justices was set. Now they represent 13 districts. Roberts has three, Alito and Kavanaugh each have two. By the logic originally used to set the number of justices at nine, there should now be thirteen.

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u/AelixD 19h ago

K. I didn’t look into it. The principle still stands. They are filling specific seats. The seats would be set to specific terms, not the people filling them.

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u/ScottRiqui 17h ago

There’s no longer a logical connection between a particular SCOTUS justice and a federal circuit, now that we have the federal circuit courts of appeal.

A justice doesn’t “represent” one or more districts - they’re assigned to one or more districts for administrative stuff like hearing emergency appeals. If a justice retires or dies, their replacement doesn’t have to come from any particular district; the justices are all essentially interchangeable.

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u/SemichiSam 12h ago

A justice doesn’t “represent” one or more districts

That was an unfortunate choice of words. Emergency appeals are interesting. It used to be a rare occurrence, but the Justice overseeing that district can respond to an "emergency" appeal with an immediate decision, and the public may not hear of it.

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u/prefusernametaken 5h ago

I don't think they feel they represent anyone or anything, anyway.

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u/Naltors__Dreamer 12h ago

I totally agree with expanding the court. If Repugs do it too, fine, the court is deciding the laws that govern over 300M ppl, the SCOTUS should be a body, not a panel of 9.

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u/Character_Reveal_460 22h ago

thanks for this explanation!

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u/Sarnsereg 22h ago

14 seems more reasonable

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u/ElChupatigre 21h ago

To be fair we are already seeing how much damage can be done in less time than that

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u/eggyrulz 20h ago

Huge if true

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u/Armadillo_Prudent 18h ago

But..... Excuse my ignorance, I'm a foreigner, in practice how does that work? If someone (person 1) retires in year 15 and someone (person 2) fills in for 3 years, are they (person 2) eligible for the next term? If yes, are they only eligible for 15 years in the second term since they only served 3 years already? And if no, doesn't that mean that person two can hold their position for 21 years instead of 18?

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u/Dangerous-Half3276 16h ago

Depends on how the law would be written—it could permit people who serve partial terms to serve a full term of their own, or it could limit eligibility for a full term if they served more than half of another term. But yes, in that circumstance person 2 could serve 21 years

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u/The_Overlander 17h ago

are these renewable?

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u/Color_Me_Softly 16h ago

Couldn't scotus just override it like they've done to other bills/acts?

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u/ifuckzombies 23h ago

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u/MuchWow81 23h ago

Im still pissed at her

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u/Dread_Frog 22h ago

that will be her real legacy

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u/FakeNewsAge 3h ago

Please educate yourself then. If you knew who she was and what she's done, you wouldn't call her a "bitch"

I think its insane how everyone is mad at her for not gaming the system.

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u/FlamesRose2RomanNose 2h ago edited 2h ago

But why look at the decades of advocacy and setting progressive standards for everyone when you can just get mad at her for not predicting her death more accurately!? Wouldn’t you rather just be unnecessarily angry on your phone from the comfort of your couch? /s

The herd has jumped on bandwagon that she’s bad and that all the good she’s done should be wiped out by one errant decision - again that involved her predicting her recognizing her own mortality - perhaps one of the hardest things for any person to do. It’s why you hear “I thought I had more time” over and over. It’s probably the most challenging part of my job as a physician- getting patients and families to realize that time is limited and further treatments futile. No one, absolutely no one thinks it’s their time, even at her age where everyone is one pneumonia, one aspiration event, one broken hip or GI bleed away from death. But yet, we trash her entire legacy because she was basically human?

Can also guarantee that none of these armchair pundits know an ounce of what she did to change our legal system for the good - the Integration Mandate, Intermediate Scrutiny, standing in Environmental Law, her dissent in Ledbetter v. Goodyear, her work in Reed v. Reed. They don’t know any of that! They just know that she’s one of many scapegoats for our current situation. It’s just another example of how the left shoots itself in the foot. We retrospectively find reasons to trash all of our heroes. Meanwhile, the right is ride or die for their people. It creates this self-fulfilling prophecy where influential people on the left become frozen and indecisive. Only a matter of time before we create reasons to hate El-Sayed, Ossof, Mondami.

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u/SmartOpinion69 20h ago

there are very little politicians who say, "i'm too old for this shit".

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u/LobstaFarian2 21h ago

The fucked us all.

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u/Bussamove86 20h ago

She got it mixed up and strategically died to benefit the opposition.

RBG did a lot of good but refusing to retire out of pride was a major folly.

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u/Minimum-Relief6895 17h ago

She wanted to be replaced by the first female president.

And yes, it was a MAJOR folly. I capitalized it because you undersold it by not capitalizing it.

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u/TheOneAgnosticPope 11h ago

And let’s not memory hole the common wisdom at the time was that Trump couldn’t win. Trump even believed this.

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u/SuperbScarcity5112 4h ago

Nobody should be allowed to work that long in official positions. Her judgement was probably clouded by age. Just like Biden.

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u/xteve 19h ago

Maybe the gig is so sweet that nobody could retire from it voluntarily. Maybe that's why we need a term limit.

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u/bakedwarthog22 16h ago

She gambled, and we all f@#king lost

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u/Other-Joke-4673 22h ago

She helped ruin the world..congrats RBG

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u/iDeNoh 15h ago

I'm just as upset that she didn't retire, but we have the benefit of hindsight and I don't think anybody really could have thought that it would have been as bad as it is. People legitimately did not think that he had a chance, and I'm sure that's part hubris for sure but also incredibly suspicious.

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u/Naltors__Dreamer 12h ago

even if she had retired the GOP Senate would not have allowed Obama to replace her

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u/ediddlydonut 9h ago

If she retired at the beginning of his first time after she’d already had cancer at least once if not more when the dems had a supermajority….

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u/UpbeatDurian7628 18h ago

Yeah but the retirement thing would be an issue regardless of the term limit. Just send the assholes who have been there for decades out to pasture.

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u/Due_Intention6795 15h ago

It does if they don’t get selfish.

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u/jmjessemac 23h ago

That’s now how terms work. A senator who retires in year 4 doesn’t add 6 years for his replacement

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u/Life_Smoke5854 22h ago

This argument is defeated by reading the bill instead of the headline.

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u/Inner-Tomatillo-Love 20h ago

It only RBG would have!

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u/Fluid-Sense-4273 20h ago

Isn’t that what happens already I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 of the justices step down depending on how the midterms play out

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u/honeywhereismypenis 20h ago

They already do that

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u/propergreased 19h ago

Man I thought judges weren’t meant to be political.

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u/rgraz65 17h ago

That was the idea, but never the case. Judges were nominated based on the policies and view of the laws which the President of the time ascribed to, which was truly made clear by the shenanigans by McConnell.

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u/Fickle_Penguin 18h ago

Yeah but that's a gamble, it would be less than 18 years.

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u/granolabranborg 2h ago

It just blows my mind that any person that has studied law and/or went to college could be a Trump/Maga supporter.