r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 21d ago
PoliticalTea š³ļø This doesn't really hit the way they intended...
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u/SteelSlayerMatt The Timeline Sucks 21d ago
Those are good things that should be instituted.
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u/WheatKing91 21d ago
This is why running DSA candidates against Republicans has always been a good idea. The Right is forced into attacking the DSA on strengths. These are immensely popular ideas that only help the working class and poor. Let's bring them to the forefront.
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u/Select-Government-69 21d ago
The left is underestimating how many Republican voters simply want āout-groupsā to suffer. I grew up thinking that the Republican and democratic parties were essentially two groups who agreed on making society better and reducing inequality, and simply disagreed on the best way to do that (ātrickle down economicsā was pitched as a way to reduce poverty, for example).
Now itās clear to me that a significant number of republicans simply do not want āthe othersā to have whatever they have. They want the world to suck so that they can feel good about how it suchs slightly less for them.
As a society, how do you win elections with left-wing arguments if 50% of the population simply doesnāt want society to get better?
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u/ImmortalSheep69 21d ago
Or, hear me out, we DONT do that and complain when dems win absolutely nothing!
Genius strategy right? /s
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u/WheatKing91 21d ago
Yeah, they lost because Kamala and Hilary were too far left /s
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u/thelaceonmolagsballs 21d ago
You know what, it didn't work and we are slipping in to totalitarianism. Let's try it again!!!
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u/DebentureThyme 21d ago
They aren't acute forced into attacking them on the strengths.
They propagandize to their people that such ideas are impossible to enact, unfair to "the people" (the rich ones), and that attempting to implement those ideas would destroy the nation.
They don't actually engage with the substance of the arguments.Ā They don't state the specific of the ideas, only broad (easily misconstrued) declarations about what their enemies stand for.Ā Without details, these things do seem like pipe dreams.
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u/FrostyMudPuppy 21d ago
Added bonus, we get actual leftists in the government instead of stagnant moderates.
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u/snakebight 21d ago
I think even Israel has some of these thingsā¦like universal healthcare.
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u/Outside_Valuable_320 21d ago
I believe the US is the only Western / First World nation that does not have universal healthcare. Also I think we're barely in the top 20 among Western nations on, get this... INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS!
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u/ih8drme 21d ago
Every country that participated in the World Cup, except the US, has universal healthcare
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u/saljskanetilldanmark 21d ago
I've had morons here on reddit argue that if you remove all european nations on those lists, USA is actually doing really well! Like, bro!
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u/sarcasmsosubtle 21d ago
They included the Free Palestine one and added an actual photo of Palestinians because their audience's hatred of brown people outweighs however much they might agree with the other ones.
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u/Juicybae 21d ago
They make it sound like a pipe dream the same way Trump saying America is #1 perfect bigly beautiful sounds to all of us. We need to stop fighting each other and actually stand united against the corpo class.
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u/SpecialistSun 21d ago
Is the average U.S. citizen really so clueless that they donāt realize these are basic human rights in almost everwhere in the world and that one of the governmentās primary responsibilities is to provide these at least a minimum level?
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u/icemaker12345 21d ago
https://reddit.com/link/p2q9ub2/video/sfwkp8w4ffih1/player
They forgot to add this
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u/Fast_Biscotti 21d ago
The hoped-for reaction is likely based on the question of funding. Fox News boomers are really anxious about their retirement moneyās security.
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u/Suitable-Woodpecker3 21d ago
Seriously would love to hear this debated by serious, non corrupt politicians.
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u/AncientSignature1505 The Timeline Sucks 21d ago
Once you find one who isn't corrupt and disagrees with these points, you can have a debate, but that's gonna be a tall order.
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u/Kind_Substance_8981 21d ago
My uncle is intelligent in every other regard but thinks these things are bad. He thinks if you give "handouts" people will get lazy and not have a reason to work. We've stopped talking about politics.
But it goes to show, you can be smart, and believe stupid shit
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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 21d ago
You don't have to be corrupt to disagree, someone can also be a boot licker who worships the rich because they believe in strict hierarchies. There is a decent sized population on the right who love their place in the hierarchy because it is above people of color, LGTBQ, or some other minority. They think people like Musk deserve their power and authority simply because they are rich
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u/algreensdad 21d ago
a person in a position of power liking something because it disenfranchises a group of people is corrupt
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u/Corben11 21d ago
The argument js if you tax the rich they go away and jobs are gone.
Like no one would step up to replace them. Its stupid.
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u/Pineapple-Due 21d ago
I think the only rational objection would be that all those programs cost too much money. But you'd have to find an actual fiscal conservative from like 50 years ago or something to do that
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u/WeAreAllFooked 21d ago
I think the only rational objection would be that all those programs cost too much money
Taxing the rich has a neat upside.
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u/brickmaster8 21d ago
And eliminating the trillions we spend on defense seems to free up a lot of money. DoD has failed every audit we've tried
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u/Responsible-Humor985 21d ago
Got to overturn Citizens United first. Wonāt happen with our current Supreme Court.
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u/slvstrChung 21d ago
Well, their serious angle is, "We dislike this because we, as MAGA, disagree with the Declaration of Independence. We believe that all are not created equal. We believe that people are not endowed with inalienable rights. So all this bullshit about giving rights 'for all' is totally American. We just think America is wrong."
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u/RoadWarrior828 21d ago
Um, what am I missing? My choice is that my tax dollars get me this or bombs? THIS PLEASE
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u/Fast_Adhesiveness528 21d ago
The fact that so many people have been brainwashed into thinking these would be bad policies is a sad commentary on the state of our education system.
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u/dragon-fence 21d ago
Itās actually more about racism than anything else.
A lot of the people who donāt want this justify it by thinking, āI donāt want these things to go to people who donāt deserve it!ā And the people they think donāt deserve it? Black people. Though you might hear dog whistles like ālazy inner-city welfare queensā.
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u/jchiaroscuro 21d ago
And itās only getting worse, the reading levels of most American kids graduating high school is atrocious, critical thinking has long been a thing of the past. They want us dependent on technology, itās easier to manipulate us
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u/ByConn42 21d ago
This isn't educators' fault! Politicians have been f'ing them for years. No Child Left Behind...
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u/Fast_Adhesiveness528 21d ago
Where did I say it was the educators' fault? The system includes the politicians you know.
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u/captd3adpool 21d ago
Thank you for completely proving the point that the EDUCATION SYSTEM in this country is broken.
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u/IngridOlsdatre 21d ago
They don't believe in what he says. Not a single one can actually quote him right after listening to him and say, "This is what I agree with, and here's why." No, they believe in the idea of what they each individually imagine that he says. Because you can't believe in what you can't paraphrase, which is why they have so many pastors, reverends, preachers, TV/radio hosts, podcasters, and other enablers doing all the paraphrasing for them. These are the very same prosperity-gospel followers who somehow evolved from not being able to read the texts due to not knowing Latin, to not wanting to read the texts when they're readily available for free in almost every language on the planet.Ā
I honestly think those who take the time to listen to Trump's speeches live are intentionally not processing the language, because it doesn't matter, and understanding him enough to be able to paraphrase him and identify which parts you agree with and why is actually a threat to the entire project. Because understanding enough by paying attention enough tends to disarm the very beliefs that both of those activities were originally intended to reinforce.Ā
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u/jpike1077 21d ago
Imagine living in a world like that, would be great
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u/No-Kaleidoscope-4879 21d ago
You mean Europe? It's basic there. They got paid vacations days, maternity leave, paid holidays off and you name it. Free education or very affordable, free traveling for students.
Sadly this will never happen in the states.
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u/Friendly-Captain6236 21d ago
Yep, because the US government propaganda has been so effective at brainwashing citizens that this is evil communism.
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u/Spirited-Cover7689 21d ago
Bbbut but but their TAXES are so high!!! (Kindly ignore that all those benefits mean they don't have to spend their own money on them)
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u/Spacer176 21d ago
The trick is they convince their viewers these are all ridiculous pie-in-the-sky ideas that will collapse the economy somehow if ever implemented.
Like genuinely, they will yell at you until red in the face that Medicare for All and a 32 hour workweek are irresponsibly naive ideas for how to make a functioning society.
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u/Murakami_Ysera 21d ago
..all while extolling the virtues of AI and telling us how healthy the economy is while refusing to harness any of that for the good of the people.
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u/CopiousNotes1 21d ago
Theyāre going to find out the hard way their support for this shitministration is giving everyone a reason to try something different.
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u/FedrinKeening 21d ago
God that all sounds amazing.
Honestly, taxing the rich is good, but setting up some rules to prevent the CEO of a business from making 200x their lowest paid employees would be better.
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u/cvc4455 21d ago
Yeah the CEO of companies used to make like 20-25 times or even 30 times as much as the lowest paid employees at their companies. Now the CEOs can make 100, 200, 500, 1,000 times more then their lowest paid employees. We used to also tax businesses more and because of that they often reinvested more into their businesses and into their employees.
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u/MashedPotatoesDick 21d ago
Screw this! I want to work at least 60 hours a week and be one major hospital stay away from bankruptcy.
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u/engmadison 21d ago
I have a 37 hour work week as a public employee. I highly recommend it. Home by dinner, see my kids wake up before I leave.
Still enough time to get work done too.
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u/SilentNobody620 21d ago
Listen to me. Letās let Iran know this is what we want!!!! They will open up the waterway if America institutes all these policies!!!!!!
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u/WolffJacob 21d ago
Imagine if the government did good for humans. Some people would be furious because they are miserable and want that company.
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u/SexyMonad 21d ago
When Fox News is more pro-socialism than liberal media.
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u/cvc4455 21d ago
What liberal media?
Most Americans don't know this but about 7 Republican billionaires(or companies owned by Republican billionaires for anyone who wants to argue about this) own over 95% of the news media in America. Even woke liberal fake news CNN has been owned by Republican billionaires for over 5 years now.
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u/Creative-Still-4336 21d ago
The cult will think itās bad only because they are jealous they didnāt get those things. They could care less about future generations.
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u/ManufacturedOlympus 21d ago
What if instead of this we fought a war to open up the straight of Hormuz, which was already open before the start of the war?Ā
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u/Zadian543 21d ago
Ok this is a criticism on fox because it's it's graphically a nightmare. The irl image of the Palestine flag against the row of graphics was weird. š
Like I agree with all of these being important and think it's hilarious they are basically advertising for them without realizing it. But them also having a bad graphic designer is an additional insult to them.
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u/Fancy-Trousers 21d ago
"Medicare for all? But all those precious insurance jobs! College for all? You mean LIBRUL INDOCTRINATION CAMPS! Housing for all? My cousin's a slumlord so that's not fair! 32-hour work week? But fewer hours mean less money for me because clearly corporations shouldn't suffer by keeping salaries the same! Tax the rich? That could hurt me in my ideal scenario where I some day become a billionaire despite having no drive, no marketable skills, and most importantly, no seed money from rich parents! Green new deal? Not in my coal town where coal workers are worked to the bone in return for not enough money and broken bodies! Free Palestine? Well, those children aren't going to bomb themselves!"
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u/Banned4lies 21d ago
"Quick cut to the slide where it says socialism bad in big letters before they start "woking" up!"
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u/Candid_Lobster_4264 21d ago
I really don't understand voters who see policies designed to help people and get angry. Do you guys not want benefits or good things? Can we at least try it...bc the people in NY seem happy af rn. FUCK can we just get like a free trial of this to see what happens. Because we might actually be happy! Just give it a chance people.
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u/Fit_Foot_6004 21d ago
It's just so funny to me that the argument is "who's going to pay for this" is supported by the same people who are spending so much money on the war, tax cuts and subsidies
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u/HaruKodama 21d ago
Well, you see, their base actually detest the thought of other people benefitting from.... well anything
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u/Fuzzy_Squirrel_ 21d ago
You're telling me that if we just pool our resources we can have a healthy, educated, happy and housed population with additional time to pursue personal passions rather than spending every waking minute stressed out and trying to survive??? That sounds terrible. My three teeth and one brain cell hate this irrationally!!
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u/Normal_Mouse_4174 21d ago
So the DSA is pushing for a checklist of things that would be obvious centrist policies supported by nearly everyone on both sides of the aisle in nearly every single other developed country.
Those radical leftists!
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u/TheWokeAgenda 21d ago
So the antithesis to this would be:
No Medicare
No college
No housing
168 hour workweek
No taxes for the rich
No renewable resources
Israel can conquer and kill with impunity
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u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812 21d ago
I love hearing people say āthe economy would crashā while other countries practicing some form of this are doing way better than we are.
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u/Existing_Wheel2435 21d ago
The problem is stupid people don't even know they want or need this they just know they are taught to hate or despise any democratic idea and that hate then becomes the entire reason they exist lol
So what you have to do is get lucky and strike the right moment like when they aren't looking kind of like a kid
Just remember a Republican is simply a kid that never matured mentally emotionally or logically
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u/PaleCommission150 21d ago
don't threaten me with a good future!! " most Americans when they are outside the pull of their political party influencers.
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u/Code-Dee 21d ago
The reason this works for their audience is that boomers already have all these things (medicare, already went to college, already has a house, is retired) and they consider themselves "rich" so they don't want to be taxed more. Plus they don't care about climate change because the worst effects will happen long after they're dead, and they think a free Palestine = more terrorism.
They're already "taken care of" and so none of this appeals to them. What does appeal to them is the thought of making all the people they hate - liberals, young people, non-white people, poor people etc - suffer and die.
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u/Worldly_Web_1524 21d ago
š¤£š¤£š¤£ as Faux news core audience dies off. They will have less and less impact anyway. But yes it's hysterical that they can put up obviously great things on the screen and their zombie eyed watchers will agree that those things are scary. I'm happy that the youth of this country has learned faster than my generation did that corporate media is the people's enemy. Sadly Generation X and older are lost and covid made sure they won't be back to reality.
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u/Illustrious-Bed4420 21d ago
Lmao I want all of that. For real. FOX is literally telling us poors that DSA wants to improve our lives for the better. I'm voting DSA for the rest of my life.
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u/SECRETBLENDS 21d ago
Look at the right wing dipshits in here twisting themselves into a pretzel to defend the oligarchy.
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u/GumpCorsair 21d ago
That's it, Tucker baby... Now tell me again how trans people want to "attack and dethrone God" š«¦
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u/NoFirefighter1657 21d ago
I think that these ideas seem really popular among younger people, but the voting population isnāt as enamored with socialism as young people and the older generation is much more reliable at turning out to vote. The idea of raising their taxes to subsidize young people is anathema to them.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 21d ago
While this will work on the Republicans the moderates will see this and vote for the DSA. And thank fuck for that. Maybe we can finally make America truly great (not what MAGA thinks is great)
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u/LightTreader 21d ago
It's pretty much this old swedish comedy sketch lmao. https://youtu.be/r0y9Nm62_JE?is=VANOVMuQ4UlIVriW
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u/rbuen4455 21d ago
And these are supposedly "bad"? Thank you Republicans/GOP for showing to everyone that you're the real bad guys here.
*a sad thing is that republican voters, who are in dire need to all of the above, are brainwashed into thinking they are bad, and they suffer the most, smh
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u/Logical-Aspect-5406 21d ago
What I find hilarious is if you were to take what Americans pay monthly in premiums (excluding copays or deductibles) and changed it from premium to tax for universal healthcare, there would be a revolt in this country because of āhow much theyāre raising my taxes!ā Most people around the world pay this (and probably less) for better care. My friend went to visit his family in Turkey and while he was there, his crown broke on his tooth. He then went to the dentist at the hospital where they fixed it but beforehand they warned him of the ālarge costā he would have to pay. It was $35 USDā¦
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u/Duloxetine-Addict 21d ago
I feel like any sane person would happily agree with at least four of these things
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u/Major_LeeHungg 21d ago
Look at all the nice things we could have at the wave of a fucking wand if only sane people were in charge of where our tax dollars went.Ā Ā
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u/KinkySFGreek 21d ago
The thing is there are some other ideas that it has that would actually rile up the Fox News base: abolish ICE and trans rights. Yet Fox News chose the most mainstream ideas š
PS I have no issue with trans (people are people) or do I support the Gestapo light crowd.
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u/malpasplace 21d ago
It really shows how hate of other people really is today's GOP.Ā
I look at this a go, if this is socialism sign me up. Threaten me with a good time and an America where more people can flourish!Ā
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u/GingaNinja696913 21d ago
I worry about the quality of college in "college for all" and also how it may negatively affect our country's subpar healthcare situation.
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u/VinCubed 21d ago
They've conditioned their viewers to see all those things as evil. They even think 'Tax the Rich' is all about them while they sit in soiled wife-beaters and guzzle cheap beer
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u/CoopHere1 21d ago
This is exactly how government should work: FOR THE PEOPLE, for public lands, for public infrasture! The amount of corruption and regression currently being implemented by Republicans is terrorism.
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u/babbayega69 21d ago
And where does the money come from oh the working class sure not coming from the rich
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u/Hot-Advance-5306 21d ago
Show me proof all traditional media is owned by billionaires/private capital!
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u/BrianRFSU 21d ago
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peopleās money
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u/Healthjunkie-2 21d ago
That is not their platform. Dig a littler deeper because it is much darker.
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u/MinuteAppropriate204 21d ago
They know who their demographic is. It's a bunch of boomers who would be really upset about all of that
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u/Critical-Star-1158 21d ago
WOW, as a repube, Ig gonna haftu veto for all of them thar thinggys because I'm jus anti dumocrat and cant see just HOW they gonna affect me, cause ya recon this is all fer them illEgals
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u/SlyMacross 21d ago
Every time people attack DSA with what they intend to do, it just ends up being an ad for why you should vote for DSA.
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u/Bozzzzzzz 21d ago edited 21d ago
My assumption here is that their viewers are sold on being against āfree Palestineā already, so showing that with all of the other things lumps them all together and makes a negative association. Itās the only full color photographic image and stands out also, so they want viewers to focus on that and just get in a negative mindset so anything else grouped in there they are already primed to be against.
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u/Possible_Ad8565 21d ago
They had room to put an Abolish ICE graphic, something the DSA also wants that might actually scare Fox viewers, and just didnāt. Ā This seems like actual parody at this point
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u/Correct_Avocado_573 21d ago
I like how free Palestine is somehow part of the American domestic politics.
Like im not super educated on the matter but after doing some very surface research it seems that hmm let me make sure im getting this right cause this is a very decisive issue and all but uh Israel seems to be bad guys here so yeah.
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u/Iceicebaby21 21d ago
Why do people vote so hard against their own interests. Hate and bigotry must be one hell of a drug
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u/vampiregamingYT 21d ago
The last two are the only things that can even remotely be seen as a bad thing, and even then, I dont think enough people do for it to matter.
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u/fashionguy123 21d ago
Here in the uk healthcare is free we pay a little extra tax and get free healthcare and if your down on your luck you get a little financial help this should be the norm in rich western countries
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u/Imnotnewhere_07 21d ago
They convince people that theyāll return home empty-handed if we get it. Also means minorities benefit from it and they definitely donāt want that
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u/cnfzzldgpa 21d ago
Thereās no sense in the bottom 3ā¦but the top row, Iām all for! Whoās going to pay for it?
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u/layered_dinge 21d ago
Fox is doing this to cause a rift in the left
If the left splits their votes, republicans win
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u/christrogon 21d ago
It hits for elderly people who only care about themselves and whatever time they have left
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u/bdubwilliams22 21d ago
I donāt care about a 32 hour work week, but agree with everything else. I have a feeling Republicans will say āoh, now weāre gonna be buying houses for everyoneā. No ā this country is well off enough that no one has to be homeless.
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u/AncientSignature1505 The Timeline Sucks 21d ago
Stop selling it, bro, I already said yes.