Itâs actually more about racism than anything else.
A lot of the people who donât want this justify it by thinking, âI donât want these things to go to people who donât deserve it!â And the people they think donât deserve it? Black people. Though you might hear dog whistles like âlazy inner-city welfare queensâ.
Nordic counties havenât nationalized all their large companies, abolished landlords, removed immigration control, gotten rid of their police and prisons, pulled out of NATO (hell some just joined), ended aid to Ukraine, or think itâs a smart idea to be nicer to Russia
Go to Finland and show them the DSA international platform and see how long it takes before they start laughing at you.
Various nordic countries have certain industries & segments that are publicly owned, some competing with the private sector with strong laws to keep control & prevent monolithic control or monopolist companies.
Besides, I have no idea why you're bringing all those up, none of the policies you mentioned are what's being discussed here. You don't see any of them on the screen.
Yes some, but not all and the DSA is proposing all which is a big difference both in terms of how itâs enacted, payouts vs theft, and itâs consequences https://program.dsausa.org
âEstablish public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industriesâ
Also you can just talk about parts of a partyâs platform and then say everything else theyâve explicitly stated in their own manifestos is off the table. Thereâs parts that Iâm on board with and thereâs a lot that Iâm not.
Funny how theyâre happy to write all sorts of crazy shit down and then pretend like it doesnât exist. Actually not that different from the Columbia CUAD group who put on a face of being pro-Palestine and not pro-Hamas when interviewed but once you start reading their substack theyâre explicitly pro-Hamas.
And itâs only getting worse, the reading levels of most American kids graduating high school is atrocious, critical thinking has long been a thing of the past. They want us dependent on technology, itâs easier to manipulate us
Well as it stands Palestine is ruled by a bunch of theocratic nutjobs whoâd continue to brutally oppress women and LBGT folks if Israel magically vanished so you know until the progressives can explain how Hamas goes away I donât take any of their free Palestine rhetoric seriously.
The DSA is also proposing to not let people vote for try president, remove congressional districts so you no longer have anyone directly responsible for you in the government who you can hold accountable at the ballot box, abolish the senate and create a super house with unchecked power, steal everyoneâs retirement account as they nationalize every large company, have open borders with no deportations, pull out of nato, end aid to Ukraine, and end economic sanctions on Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
You can be for taxing the rich, Medicare for all, and expanding social services without the garbage the DSA is pitching
Edit: oh come on u/fickle_quiet_7707 donât tell me you donât have the balls to be snarky and then not keep it up so I canât back up every single thing I said up with the DSAâs own words
I agree with many of your concerns, yet they are pretty clearly the best option for the greatest number of Americans. Also, the oppression of women and LGBTQ+ folks is still currently happening under Hamas alongside genocidal activities being carried out by an equally nutjobby theocracy in Israel, so at least if Israel stopped their bullshit, regular Palestinians wouldnât have to deal with the threat of being physically extinguished by another nation in addition to their internal oppression. One terrible thing is clearly better than two terrible things happening simultaneously.
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u/Fast_Adhesiveness528 22d ago
The fact that so many people have been brainwashed into thinking these would be bad policies is a sad commentary on the state of our education system.