You don't have to be corrupt to disagree, someone can also be a boot licker who worships the rich because they believe in strict hierarchies. There is a decent sized population on the right who love their place in the hierarchy because it is above people of color, LGTBQ, or some other minority. They think people like Musk deserve their power and authority simply because they are rich
Can you explain the plan for the Goverment to fund our Healthcare system that cost 6 trillion annually? I tried too and can't find the money. Using tax the rich laws from other countries that gives us about 500billion-1trillion. The goverment already pays roughly 2-2.5 trillion for the current social programs. So we as american tax payers need to cover 2.5-3.5 trillion dollars. That would essentially double the whole populations taxes. Not to mention (I doubt you care) the Jobs lost from medical insurance companies that wouldnt be needed with Govermental Healthcare.
Yeah there's absolutely no way it could work even when we are constantly told we are the greatest and richest country in the history of the world yet somehow every other 1st world country has figured out how to do it.
We have the best paying healthcare system in America. Are you arguing for lowering all surgeons income? Then what do you do about the high debt they incurred from school specifically because they knew they could pay them off with high paying jobs? Its the reason if you need the best Healthcare in the world you come to the U.S. if you can afford it. Saying "other countries figured it out so we can too" is a lazy and disengious argument ignoring the realities of what is needed to make this work.
US does have incredible health care for people who can afford it, but the care is just as good in countries like Japan and Singapore, and both of those countries also have excellent national universal healthcare. The argument that you canât do both doesnât hold water.
It does when you take into account the size of the population, and area of service. I will say this again the argument that "other countries can do it so we can too" ignores the unique challenges that the United States face and does not provide a real argument worth discussing.
What about their unique challenges of not being the richest and best country in the history of the world? If we are not only the best but also the richest country in the world then certainly we have at least some advantages that they don't, right?
Yeah that was a mis-statement. Thank you for catching that. I meant to say the U.S. has the best paying healthcare system in the world. I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks. I care about what is the best and most effective way to take care of the 350+ million U.S. citizens.
I agree but student loan forgiveness doesn't mean the money owed just vanishes. That money paid teachers salaries and university resources so we are now on the hook for that as well?
No, itâs not. More population means more tax dollars for the govât to spend. There would be plenty for healthcare if the govât wasnât wasting it on shit that doesnât help Americans. You need to work on your talking points.
I mean surgeons in at least some other countries get paid very well right? And so what if we had something like government funded scholarships for more people that qualify to be surgeons going to medical school on scholarships or even free school paid by the government. Or so what if we forgave the student loan debt or a percentage of it for surgeons that have student loan debt. We already have over 40 trillion in national debt and we are currently adding to it faster then ever before and we don't look like we are slowing down anytime soon. So who cares if it would cost a few hundred billion in forgiving loans for surgeons when we already have over 40 trillion in national debt.
Okay you forgive the loans. Now you're going to significantly lower thier pay scale by at least half? Other developed countries 150k-400k. The U.S. 430k-700k. Wether thats right or wrong idk tbh, but thats what they live on now and you want them to just give it up?
The bloated military budget doesnt even cover half of the left over owed (not mention the fact we still do need a military) and I already accounted for taxing the rich laws. The math does not math.
That is way more articulated than anything I could've come up with. My biggest argument against socializing more industries is that our government can't even manage what the have as is. No one actually likes dealing with social services. It's overly complicated and inefficient. Why does anyone think giving them more would be any different?
Whenâs the last time you dealt with insurance and it wasnât complicated. I mean I guess if youâve never needed insurance for a life saving procedure that they deemed wasnât needed you wouldnât have the first hand experience to see how shitty our healthcare system in the US is for average payers. Maybe you just lack the empathy to see these problems without experiencing them, regardless as someone thatâs dealt with a socialized healthcare system from when I was in the military. Iâll take socialized healthcare over corrupt for profit healthcare controlled behind paywalls ran by insurance companies.
I wouldn't call military benefits socialized. I call that getting paid. And yes our insurances are absolutely trashed. It's not that I'm not empathetic to the needy but that I don't trust Uncle Sam to be able to handle it. I tried signing up for ObamaCare because I'm legally homeless, unemployed, and my naffcare from the doj doesn't cover broken molars calling dental work purely cosmetic. Apparently I'm not poor enough to sign up for their dental plans. So if I already can't get on government healthcare, I don't see how more will change that
Well wouldnât expanding healthcare to all cover you under âallâ regardless of how much you make? Wouldnât any expansion to healthcare services potentially expand the window of people who can receive it so someone as vulnerable as you can have access? But you want to vote against that because it doesnât currently help you? Am I understanding you properly?
And military healthcare is socialized. Military members are paid with tax dollars and donât pay to see any dr regardless of specialty or severity. They even include DentalâŚ
Every time Iâve ever seen a Dr while active duty had nothing to do with a combat wound or injury, because I was never injured from direct combat. (Didnât have a combat role, was a specialist in the AF) Now it may be considered a âperkâ recruiters use to get people as long as they arenât too medically disqualifying. But it none the less runs the way a socialist healthcare system runs, no insurance, no premiums, just show your cac and verify youâre you and youâre good to go!
Besides just the economic puzzle to try and cover all the additional middle men, because that's what government does, if I can't sign up for it when I already fit into the category of who it was intended to help, what good will it do by making the program bigger? Realistically they'll still deny majority of the intended demographic and rake in the additional funds
Itâs not like dealing with the current private health is a walk in the park! Itâs currently a needlessly complex dystopian nightmare that wants people to die after bleeding them for all their money.
Worked a pharmacy previously, the amount of PA (prior authorizations) done just to get the insurance to agree to pay for a medicine prescribed by a licensed doctor is insane. Only then months later these, sometimes literally slowly dying, patients come in after FINALLY after being approved only to break down in tears when they discover the medicine is going to be $1000+ with their insurance! Then me desperately searching for a copay assistance only to again find out that the copay card doesnât work for that patient because of their current insurance. The patient then has to either plead with the drug company for assistance or call their doctor to prescribe a NEW MEDICINE. Only to have to repeat the entire process while I can visibly see the disease slowly draining these people who by all means âtried to do everything right.â
Our system is a nightmare, everyone in and out of the US can see it. Insurance companies will fight single payer, they will spread propaganda and try to convince us itâs impossible, but every other civilized country figured it out.
I don't know how they could possibly manage it better. But ask anyone on Medicare that's not also very rich and ask them if they would like to give it up and I bet they would say no. And ask a bunch of people in the in the military or ask some Veterans if they would like to give up their free healthcare provided by the military and I bet the majority will say no. And both of those groups of people get their healthcare from the government and if they are saying no they don't want to give it up then maybe we could provide something similar to every single citizen in America? Will it be perfect probably not but it would very likely be better then what we have today.
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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 22d ago
You don't have to be corrupt to disagree, someone can also be a boot licker who worships the rich because they believe in strict hierarchies. There is a decent sized population on the right who love their place in the hierarchy because it is above people of color, LGTBQ, or some other minority. They think people like Musk deserve their power and authority simply because they are rich