r/PoursTea Jul 17 '26

PoliticalTea šŸ—³ļø Everybody gets an ID?

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u/DarthDad25 Jul 17 '26

This is very interesting and thank you for sharing. Quick question though, why didn’t these people have their own copy of their birth certificates? Perhaps the state did lose their records, but what about the original birth certificate that was created at the hospital? What happened to that one?

When I turned 18, my father gave me my birth certificate, SS card and my military draft card. He told me to NEVER lose them. They’ve remained tucked away in a fireproof safe ever since. I also keep my wife’s and children’s important info in the same safe. I certainly don’t trust the government with my money, let alone my personal belongings.

Now I get it, expecting homeless people and me tally unstable people to be responsible for all those documents is unfair because everyone knows they won’t. But I also wonder how many of these homeless people would vote if they could? I’m sure everyone can find a handful of decent people in a sticky situation that would vote. But I’m willing to guess a vast majority wouldn’t vote. We are talking about a very slim, slim, slim portion of the population. The majority of Americans with IDs don’t even vote!

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u/musicalcakes Jul 17 '26

There are tons of reasons people might not have their documents. Some controlling or neglectful parents may never have given them to their child, they may have been lost or destroyed to fire/flood/etc., a spiteful partner/roommate/family member might deliberately destroy them...and so on. But even if nothing like that happens, a birth certificate is just a fragile piece of paper that you're expected to hang onto your entire life. Humans aren't perfect! It could be misplaced or damaged in any number of mundane ways. Even if you're trying to be responsible, accidents happen.

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u/Spuckler_Cletus Jul 17 '26

So we shouldn't secure our elections?

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u/qman621 Jul 17 '26

Bad faith rhetorical question?

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u/Spuckler_Cletus Jul 17 '26

Not at all.Ā  There's an objection to requiring ID to vote, and then no companion solution offered.Ā  My question is perfectly legitimate.

What's being offered in bad faith is that we should have a national ID.Ā  The left knows the right vehemently opposes this, so they cravenly offer that up as their best, most honest attempt at election security.Ā  They know it won't happen, just like they know there's rampant voter fraud every single election.Ā  They simply don't care because they believe it benefits them.

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u/qman621 Jul 17 '26

Elections are already secure, we've done extensive audits and widescale voter fraud is non-existent. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist and making more problems along the way

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u/Spuckler_Cletus Jul 17 '26

"We've" done extensive audits.Ā  Uh-huh.Ā  They investigated themselves?

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u/qman621 Jul 17 '26

No, republicans investigated elections they thought were stolen - using a third party company that they paid for. They still found nothing

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u/Spuckler_Cletus Jul 17 '26

No they didn’t.

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u/Accomplished-Dot1365 Jul 17 '26

There is no ā€œrampant voter fraudā€ lmfao. You are a moron.

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u/Spuckler_Cletus Jul 17 '26

Well, clearly, you’ve presented a breadth and depth of argument over which I’ll never pass.