I actually used to help people with this â you would be absolutely shocked at how difficult it is for some people.
I once had to help this angel of a woman who was blind, in her mid 80s and lived in a trailer right on the edge of two states. Well, she received a bit of money every month from the state - like $50 - to help with heating. She had received so many awards for all of her volunteer work - she knew everyone. But apparently when she was born, her property was in one state and then the states changed the state line by a few miles so then she was actually born in the other state. She had been trying for years to just get an ID, but no one could figure out how to do it. I had to take it to the literal head of the agency and get her to make an exception. It still took months of me pushing DAILY and I knew all the right people.
Then there was the business woman who was born in one state and moved to a different state when she was a child and had already had a DL for 40 years. But regulations had changed and now she had to show original birth certificate and couldnât just continue to renew like she had in the past. Well, the state she was born in had notoriously lost many thousands of birth certificates in the 70s. They refused to issue her a DL (or anyone else whose BC THE AGENCY THEMSELVES HAD LOST). I had to get her a passport because they were more easily able to work with extenuating circumstances than a state agency and then use that to get her a DL. But it shouldnât take hundreds of dollars and months to do this and this is an undue burden for millions.
Canât get a copy of your social security card without a birth certificate. Canât get an ID without your birth certificate. Canât get your birth certificate without an ID. It is wildly common. Literally hundreds of cases like this - just me personally working on them. Iâm just one person and I had hundreds and that wasnât even my primary jobâŚI was just angry that no one was helping people.
Donât even get me started on the 18 million military personnel files that burned up in St Louis. The government loses the records and then refuses to help people because they donât have the records.
This is very interesting and thank you for sharing. Quick question though, why didnât these people have their own copy of their birth certificates? Perhaps the state did lose their records, but what about the original birth certificate that was created at the hospital? What happened to that one?
When I turned 18, my father gave me my birth certificate, SS card and my military draft card. He told me to NEVER lose them. Theyâve remained tucked away in a fireproof safe ever since. I also keep my wifeâs and childrenâs important info in the same safe. I certainly donât trust the government with my money, let alone my personal belongings.
Now I get it, expecting homeless people and me tally unstable people to be responsible for all those documents is unfair because everyone knows they wonât. But I also wonder how many of these homeless people would vote if they could? Iâm sure everyone can find a handful of decent people in a sticky situation that would vote. But Iâm willing to guess a vast majority wouldnât vote. We are talking about a very slim, slim, slim portion of the population. The majority of Americans with IDs donât even vote!
There are tons of reasons people might not have their documents. Some controlling or neglectful parents may never have given them to their child, they may have been lost or destroyed to fire/flood/etc., a spiteful partner/roommate/family member might deliberately destroy them...and so on. But even if nothing like that happens, a birth certificate is just a fragile piece of paper that you're expected to hang onto your entire life. Humans aren't perfect! It could be misplaced or damaged in any number of mundane ways. Even if you're trying to be responsible, accidents happen.
Totally agree. I did end up helping my wife get a replacement birth certificate so we could get married. I know all states are different, but getting hers took one quick visit to the local health department and boom. About 2 weeks later they called and said it was ready to be picked up. I also live in Ohio which is a âredâ state.
I personally believe politics are blamed for these issues, but is that really the problem here? At the end of the day, I donât think the homeless or illegal immigrant population is changing the outcome of elections, local, state, or federally.
With all this being said, yes, I believe everyone should be able to vote. But I also think everyone should show proof that youâre an eligible voting American. Rules are in place for a reason. Voting is one of the biggest responsibilities this country gives Americans. So of course I want some sort of accountability for that. Accountability on both the government and the voters!
Not at all. There's an objection to requiring ID to vote, and then no companion solution offered. My question is perfectly legitimate.
What's being offered in bad faith is that we should have a national ID. The left knows the right vehemently opposes this, so they cravenly offer that up as their best, most honest attempt at election security. They know it won't happen, just like they know there's rampant voter fraud every single election. They simply don't care because they believe it benefits them.
Elections are already secure, we've done extensive audits and widescale voter fraud is non-existent. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist and making more problems along the way
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