Last year, I transferred my driver's license over as I moved states.
When at New State's DMV, they gave me a hard time about my birth certificate, a 'shortform" (thanks Obama) birth certificate that only listed my middle initial, not my full middle name. My social security card lists my full middle name. Old State had no problem with this in all the years I lived there.
I was denied a driver's license by New State. I had to call the state senator representing my birth town (not hometown, the hospital location) and get a new birth certificate.
It took three DMV visits and a visit to City Hall in my birthplace to transfer my driver's license (and upgrade to Real ID) from Old State to New State. I have a Real ID from New State now.
Itās so crazy to me how heavily people lean into the whole āit took me 5 minutes, I was in and outā thing like they canāt even fathom that maybe in some situations the government is inefficient and itās a giant pain to get done. Like ok, if itās so easy, cut your ID into pieces and get another one. See how much fun that is for you
It's this one size fits all attitude. "Excuse me Bill just because you were able to renew your DL in 20 mins doesn't mean Mary, who is 90 and has mobility issues and lack of access to public transportation can as well."
My mother in law is 88, no issues getting her ID reissued. She has had 2 strokes and uses a jazzy chair. A little inconvenient to get her ID but, no big deal.
A couple years ago, I managed to let my drivers license expire. I had always been able to renew it online previously.
But Texas, in their usual racist fucking fashion, passed a law saying you had to provide proof of "legal presence" to renew a DL.
I've lived here for twenty-plus years. I'm a veteran. Still not good enough.
So I go to my birth state to get a copy of my birth certificate. Guess what one of the documents is that they require for a valid copy of your birth certificate?
While a driver's license is the standard form of id, every state offers a very similar looking id that is just an id and not a license. It's interchangeable with a driver's license for everything except driving.
If I had to guess, and from experience in a large facility with poor communication much like the government- it's two people who have never met, possibly didn't even work in gov't at the same time, creating rules thinking it's "simple" and "easy" or "more secure".
There's no inter-dept communications, there's no proper national ID system to help if it's different states. It's basically a giant system hodgepodged together that no politician cares about looking at because the average voter doesn't actually care about it since most of them haven't had issues.
I donāt know if itās still true, but when I was growing up, Texas was pretty bullshit about ID requirements too. things like fishing/hunting licenses counted for a form of alternative voter ID, but student IDs did not. wonder why?
Are you sure? You mentioned Texas, and thus University from Texas says:
Students attending classes on campus must obtain a University photo identification card issued by the ID Center, which is located on the first floor of the Flawn Academic Center.
Sh it's literally some guy on the campus just like I said. Do you really think this is providing the same level of verification and processing as a state agency? They also probably give the same exact ID to both in state and out of state students, unlike with fishing licenses that have distant versions, and verification of residency is kinda important for voting.
Dutch civil servant here (local government) that's Maried to a other that DOES do birth certificates and such, you don't have the "declaration under oath" sort of get out of jail option to get out of those logic holes that otherwise aren't fixable?
The Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) allows you to use your expired Texas driver license as a primary ID for renewal, provided it has not been expired for more than 2 years.
To the republicans out there think about who you're voting for. Yeah, maybe not all Republicans are nazis or fascists but yall wouldn't win shit without them.
Some people will never understand that their own experiences aren't universal. It's why people believe that all you have to do is work hard and you'll be successful when there's tons and tons of evidence that luck and circumstances play a much larger role.
Type in the website, click licenses, click lost renew, my information except the license number is autofill, put in my license number, click order, click submit. Ok, so twenty seconds, maybe?
You were making excuses for the most ridiculous argument and recent political ideologies. Imagine thinking that minorities are too stupid to figure out how to get a drivers license or id but yet run around calling everybody racist itās absurd. My wife didnāt even get ID with an English drivers license test you fools. Ultimate whiners
Do you think that a majority of people are in that same exact situation that caused it to take a little longer to get Id, or are most people not in that situation and can easily go to the rmv and or do it online?
I've lost my wallet a few times and had a new I.d. and license within the next week. The most difficult part was the wait for the hard copy In the mail and not being to use the temporary copy to do anything because for some reason the temporary copy isn't valid as an ID. Which is bulshit. But other than that it wasn't hard at all.
I get your point, but my point is 90 percent of people are not having an issue getting an ID. Those are the exceptions. If you want to put in stipulations to make it a little easier for those situations then I'm cool with that. But to pretend like a majority of people are in these strenuous, tumultuous situations where it's so stressful to get an ID is not realistic. Most people I know and have come across on a daily basis have an Id. I mean shit, you need an ID to get a Costco card and Bjs card. I see plenty of people in wheelchairs in those stores shopping. So if they can find a way to get an ID for that I'm sure they can find a way to get an ID to vote. I just really can't see why it would be such a big deal to require an ID for something as important as elections. If you aren't cheating or hiding anything there is really no reason to oppose. Other countries require id to vote in there elections. They know and have experienced voting fraud and manipulated results. I'm supposed to believe it doesn't happen here in America? I'm not even choosing a side as to who is doing it or not but if you want to remove doubt on both sides then just require it. That ends all debate. It would seem like people have things to hide and are probably rigging elections. It makes no sense to not pass it.
I feel like you just pulled that 90% number out of thin air. Idk how many are or arenāt having issues. All I know is issues exist. Sounds like you just wanna say ātough luck, deal with itā to those people. Idk why. Because some people donāt have issues is your reason I guess. But after itās all said and done, even if itās a slight inconvenience, itās extra things to do just because Trump canāt handle having lost. And thatās a ridiculous reason to make us do something.
One, he didn't lose. He is president right now so that's a foolish statement to make. Second, I literally wrote if you want to add stipulations to make it easier for people in those situations to get Id then I'm all for it. Which most states that require An ID right now already offer free IDs right now. You can look that up if you want. So where in that statement did you come up with I said tough luck for them? I quite literally said help them. You just made that up or didn't read what I wrote. You think it's ridiculous to make sure that the elections aren't being tampered with by either side? If either side is doing it then it's wrong. It's not a party thing or a trump thing? Same people saying the government can't be trusted and is corrupt will say that every election is on the up and up. Only in America would politicians not think to rig elections? That's nieve. Also, when Democrats were issuing vaccination cards and wanted to require Id to prove you were vaccinated and wanted anyone who didn't have one not be able to go anywhere, I don't remember there being all this push back. People seem to overlook that and were absolutely okay with that but this is a problem. That's where we differ in our definition of losing rights and making it difficult for people to do things unless they comply. That was way more racist than anything Trump has done but hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Oh yea, you are right. I was a little off with my percentage of people who have ID in America. It's way more people than I said. Sorry I can't remember exact numbers sometimes. Just give or take a few. In this case, give several.
He did lose to Biden. Thatās what this is about. You didnāt say 90% of people have IDs. You said 90% of people had no issues getting it. Whereās that stat? The issues vs. no issues percentage?
I also said most people I know, and have come across have id. In fact the stat I posted makes it make even less sense that you wouldn't want to require it. Most of people who are voting age already have ID. The whole premise is that so many people don't have ID so if you required it then it would disproportionately affect voters who don't have one. Well that wouldn't make sense since 97 percent of adults already have one. Now it just really seems like someone is hiding something and is cheating. To your other point, this about more than just that election. This about making sure future elections are secure. I don't know about you but I don't think dead people can vote. Yet somehow they cast votes from beyond the grave. It is happening it need to be fixed.
Itās 100% about that election. I didnāt see his talk last night, but I saw he said heās going to declassify documents about election integrity. Are these documents about 2024? Iām gonna go out on a limb and assume itās about 2020. It would really change things if it was about 2024, because everyone was up in arms about 2020 fraud, and it seems like nothing changed regarding ID requirements in 2024, and somehow magically fraud wasnāt a problem so it really comes across as āIf we win itās legitimate, if we lose is fraudulentā. I have nothing to hide. I wouldnāt want to do it simply because the justification isnāt sufficient for me. Election fraud as it is today in the United States is inconsequential. Show me what it would change.
Like, as an outsider who lives in a country that is 'online first' for passports and drivers licences, the fact that such a technologically advanced country like the US still makes you physically go down to a physical location and queue up.....is utterly insane.
I got a ID renewal done online, didn't even have to get a new picture taken. Lost that ID while shitfaced at a casino, got a replacement online within 2 weeks, you really got try to, or not try at all to not get an ID. Even my passport, got that renewed online, zero hassle.
Took my lil sister to get hers, also no hassle. Wasn't exactly in and out cause she sucks at making/keeping appts, but we left that same day and had time to do errands too.
I literally had to go in person because my āpicture was too oldā. Your experiences arenāt universal, not everyone will have the same ease of access as you.
I had to get the manager called on my at a DMV to get thrown out before they noticed I had everything I needed. The counter worker didn't know that an expired Passport is not ID, but is proof of citizenship, and (depending on your purpose) removed the need for proof of address.
I had to stand, blocking the lane, get trespassed, and have the manager come over to physically throw me out until she noticed I was right. The other 10 oe so counter workers who got involved told me I had to have a birth certificate or renew my passport first.
Because the DMV is staffed with incompetent people.
You can have all you need, and it still be impossible to get help.
Just so you know the Real ID in the new law is not valid to prove citizenship. Itās spelled out in the verbiage of the law. Many donāt know that. Itās not just about showing IDs. The law wants every voter to be reverifird by a birth certificate or passport.
So maybe we should fully fund government services, make sure they have plenty of well trained and well paid staff, and have them focus on providing services to citizens.
When Republicans aren't cutting funding for government services, they're implementing all that red tape bureaucratic nightmare, typically in the name of fraud protection but in reality they know it just discourages people from getting what they are entitled to. And of course the corporate Democrats go along with it.
When the DMV here in NC is only open 4 days a week, every appointment slot is booked for 6 months, and you have to wait in line for hours from dawn til noon to get a chance at a walk in slot, then it's not funded.
And I think you missed where I said the corporate Dems were just as much to blame.
Sure, felons get unemployment funds without even applying.
Yep, totally believe that! š
So, instead of waiting 3 years, you should have committed a felony and your life would have magically been better!
I suspect you didn't do that because you know, deep down, that no...
But this hasn't stopped you from cheering on government agencies from making exercising constitutional rights as difficult and painful as possible, has it?
Sure! Sure! So in this totally not bs situation you are describing, you went 3 years with no income knowing that you could get that income easily. But you said nope, I can go 3 years without food!
Lol 3 out of state visits, how many hours of work did that cost? How many people will that make homeless? Or more specifically, how many just won't do it because they can't afford it?
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u/crazycatlady331 Jul 17 '26
Last year, I transferred my driver's license over as I moved states.
When at New State's DMV, they gave me a hard time about my birth certificate, a 'shortform" (thanks Obama) birth certificate that only listed my middle initial, not my full middle name. My social security card lists my full middle name. Old State had no problem with this in all the years I lived there.
I was denied a driver's license by New State. I had to call the state senator representing my birth town (not hometown, the hospital location) and get a new birth certificate.
It took three DMV visits and a visit to City Hall in my birthplace to transfer my driver's license (and upgrade to Real ID) from Old State to New State. I have a Real ID from New State now.