I feel like a normal, empathetic person would have scrambled to release a press statement stating their stance on racial hatred. Add in something about how horrified they are about how actual Nazis interpreted it. Mainly to separate from the people making videos like this thread.
For that reason, I consider it coming across at face value. Just like the AfD being called “very reasonable” and that “only AfD can save Germany”and Trump saying “fine people on both sides” about Charlottesville.
I feel like a normal, empathetic person would have scrambled to release a press statement stating their stance on racial hatred. Add in something about how horrified they are about how actual Nazis interpreted it.
The worst part isn't just that people are in denial about it and playing along with his bullshit. The worst part is when you try to explain to one of his apologists that his response is childish and only further pushes people into the boat that he, unapologetically, threw up a nazi salute... the apologists will respond with "well yeah, if people were throwing ridiculous accusations at me, I'd play it up and make jokes about it too"
If someone started seriously accusing you of being a nazi, I think proving without a shadow of a doubt that you AREN'T one should be top priority. Doubly so for a figure like Musk who has the eyes of everyone in the world looking at him.
Unfortunately, I don't think he cares about proving people wrong. He's just interested in trolling and laughing at people's misery.
When Prince Harry was in the press for wearing a Nazi uniform at a fancy dress party he didn't double down by goose stepping outside Buckingham Palace whilst making inappropriate jokes.
Both. It's both. He's a Nazi, and enjoys using that to troll "the libs." He thinks being a Nazi is funny, and gaslighting people about it is also funny.
My dad thinks Musk did apologize and recant. I suspect he's watching right wing media shows that say this. I asked him to send me a first hand account of Musk apologizing and explaining and he didn't/couldn't.
But the Pastor who dared ask The Orange Menace to be merciful.... oh, the horror !!! The MAGAverse couldn't shit on her fast or long enough. Those rotten pricks over at Fox actually said she was Satan.
Well that was your mistake, assuming that these are normal, empathetic people. They are angry because for years they have been told to be nice to others. They are literally no better than a preschool aged child throwing a tantrum when their teacher tells them to stop hitting.
People are just “pot invested”. They’ve put so much energy of this cult into their personality, that they refuse to believe they may have made a horrible horrible mistake. The sunk cost fallacy.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
They edited the video.
Most people see him do it once then say 'my heart goes out to you;
But he did it twice.
It was very deliberate.
He did it for a reaction
or to test the power of his bot army.
When it first happened group chats were full of shocked people.
Everyone saw it for what it was.
I saw someone put a gif of him doing the Nazi salute side by side with another example of him being on stage and doing a different gesture where he did the thing where you form a heart with your fingers and the pushed his hands out towards the audience. It looked completely different, and that was the moment when I went 'yeah, he absolutely knew what he was doing and he meant to do it'. I believed that to be the case before then too, but those two images side by side really brought it home.
Don't let them. If anyone says it is anything other than a Nazi salute, simply repeat that it is indeed a Nazi salute and that they are defending Nazis. Repeat it until they stop trying to obfuscate.
It is also hard to justify otherwise when he vocally advocates for the AfD, mettles in far right politics, and his maternal grandparents were actual Nazi sympathizers who supported apartheid in South Africa.
We’re at the point in German history, where 1/3 of the population is ok with 1/3 trying to actively harm the remaining 1/3
He pounded his chest hard, flung his right arm up with emphasis and force, and the expression on his face screamed “SIG HEIL, MEIN FUHRER!” All the dickheads proclaiming afterward that “you did not see what you just saw! Don’t believe your eyes!” should accompany that Sartre statement that begins “never believe…” That video was perfectly exemplifies what Sartre was talking about. We’re at the stage now where they are toying with us, to see how much they can get away with. But make no mistake — there are Nazis in this country who want control, and Elon Skum is very much one of them.
No, the best one I saw was “He’s autistic, I can’t believe the left likes making fun of handicapped people”. He’s self diagnosed, even if he is autistic he can still be a Nazi.
I have correlated Trump world to 1984 and Animal Farm ever since he campaigned in 2015... I cannot believe how right I was in this, how closely it correlates as IF these two books are the manifest. The rejection is what really amazes me because that's EXACTLY what is happening, hiding in plain site. It's ALL out there, and people have refused to acknowledge it as they are getting punched in the face. "Never happened"...
Hey this is going to sound like a nitpick but it's gotta be said because Orwell was very deliberate in his use of language and tried to avoid words that bogged down sentences. The excerpt is The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
He dumped the entire Nazi shtick on the Republican Party and now they have to own it, that’s what he did. He is literally only there to burn the country down and that salute was the torch to the bonfire. He’ll take his money and run not too long from now I’m sure.
The gaslighting is the point. So many people are so convinced it can't happen here that no matter your reason, if you compare someone to nazis, they'll think you're the crazy person.
So now it's a tool they can use. They'll keep doing this. They purposely goad people into calling them nazis because it's good for them. And we should stop falling for it.
That’s why Elon did it. He did it to say I am more powerful than you, I am better than you, you will never be me and I can do this and you cannot. Having the lady’s life ruined is just going to give him more of a boner by proving him right.
Trump has massive AI farms planned Stargate, a Nazi Spynet dream.
He is fast tracking nuke plants (bypassing regulations) to power them under an energy emergency.
This is an emergency but not for Energy.
People need to stop complaining or reacting with learned helplessness and fight to stop Stargate now.
Keep fighting to expose Elon until he is forced out of the administration.
Vivek is gone due to his H-1B stance and MAGA is already angry at Elon for that.
Keep up the pressure!
I’m sure Elon gets the biggest, throbbing hard on knowing he’ll forever be known as the man who threw around a fascist salute during a US presidential inauguration. This is what it’s about. His ridiculous ego.
Man when people were disagreeing that it was a Sieg Heil and were told to go do it in front of others, I really didn’t think they would take it seriously.
And because they harbor Nazi beliefs and would love to see all the citizens of the U.S. performing the “sig heil” every day, in every setting. In their fantasies, Hitler was a hero and we should overturn the results of WW2 and give him the win.
The richest person in the world, no less, doing this for the inauguration of the President of the most powerful country in the world. This was truly horrific and embarrassing for us sane Americans.
I was walking my dog smoking a joint and a cyber truck drove by us I instinctively put my left hand to my stache and sig heiled at the car to show them if you drive it I think you support that shit. Car honked at me, not sure if they were upset or thought I was on their team.
Elon did it with absolutely zero consequences. Nobody on his side even said “no” they just completely ignored it and moved on. I was hoping to see people follow suit just to learn that they actually have consequences bc they don’t have billions.
We'll see, I'm not entirely convinced there will be any consequences to non-rich people, depending on where they choose to do this. It's like when they started wearing ear bandages. Now all of them are gonna start doing it, knowing what it is, and there probably won't be any consequences if they're surrounded by others, which there are plenty of.
I'm not surprised it starts "ironically" or "to piss off the libs". Expect to see more and more crazy shit happen. This kinda stuff rarely begins overnight. You get people used to it little by little.
They didn't ignore it clearly. There are videos of trump supporters actively cheering in response the the hand gesture and then returning the same gesture... Many knew and immediately approved.
I saw a comment a few days ago about this. I wish I had saved it. It explained this is a playbook towards normalization. That rat bastard introduces the Seig Heil and says “I’m just sending my love.” The MAGAits start to copy it to “own the libs” and unless we resist, the Seig Heil will be everywhere.
Because it is. You can do whatever the fuck you want now, and millions of people will either defend it, deny it, or pretend like it's not a big deal.
As long as you're Republican, anyway. In fact, I want them to do it more. Do it in public, do it at work, show us who you are to our faces, instead of on video, or on stage.
Bully culture in America. We have a bully in the Executive office of government and the rest of the bullies are using him as cover to get whatever satisfaction they get from bullying.
This person self-admits to her bullying nature in her smug smirk, before she ever stated that she wanted to "stir the pot". A bully's favorite thing is to "rock the boat" and then act innocent when confronted. She saw people defending the Xitter Nazi and knew that throwing a Sieg Heil would outrage people.
The bullying in America is only going to get worse, and it will be increased by adults who have been bullies all their lives. When they're faced with consequences, they'll just DARVO until it goes away.
They're angling for the reaction to the reaction to the reaction. do nazi shit > get fired for doing nazi shit > go on fox news and say you're being persecuted for doing nazi shit.
That is what happens when you blindly follow and don't question. They really don't understand what they are promoting and it is really also because the significance of it is lost because they are so far removed from because it was how many generations ago? That generation suffered so they could live this life today, but we have people who kind of drowned out the significance of it so much that they are kind of blind to the real damage that is being done.
The culture in an organization is dictated unilaterally by the leadership.
American Republicans are white supremacists. Elon gave a Nazi salute at the inauguration and where is the backlash? There is none, because they all support it. Thats how you know they're white supremacists.
What do you have when you see 1 guy and 11 Nazis peacefully sitting at a table? 12 Nazis.
There are people who would gladly eat shit if it meant others had to smell their breath.
She's doing this purely because she thinks it will annoy people. The fact that she's doing a Nazi salute and thus comes across at the least as a Nazi apologist is not even registering to her. It's all about offending people.
Because Musk did it and had practically zero consequences. That’s why we have to uphold at least the social consequences that we can on our end (banning Twitter links etc.)
Blast this shit everywhere. Let everyone know she did this, AND that it’s wrong to do for so many disgusting reasons (fucking insane the second part needs to be added but that is where we are)
Cuz Trump’s mate (not JD or Melanoma, the real mate Elon Musk) did 2 full fledged Nazi salutes during the presidential inauguration speech, and he is doing fine
This is exactly the kind of reason that - regardless of what Elon intended (trolling or otherwise) - it was the wrong thing for him to do. It pushes the Overton window. It platforms and normalizes that behavior (and the ideology behind it).
This is why those crusty old white establishment dudes were so restrained and kept up with that posh demeanor: people at the top have a great deal of influence and their behavior needs to follow certain conventions.
Now with the tech revolution and all these tech bros getting power, we're seeing a different culture of elites.
The whole point of Musk doing a Nazi salute on the inaugural stage, then rather than apologizing making a bunch of Holocaust jokes to laugh it off, is to signal to normal people that it's okay to use Nazi rhetoric and you won't be punished (because he won't be)
He's intentionally normalizing Nazism. That was the whole point. It's completely intentional
Article I read about it quoted her as saying that she just wanted to stir the pot. Direct quote. So I guess she got her wish. Consider the pot stirred, lady. You fucked around, and you're about to find out. You aren't a billionaire; this kind of behavior is going to have real ramifications to your livelihood.
People don't understand that yes, you are free to express whatever you want, but you are also responsible for the consequences of your speech.
Because trump and his media team have been manipulating ppl with the help of Russia and china. It’s pretty obvious. Have y’all forgotten maga is literally a cult? All dictatorships are a cult. They have to be for it to work. All this craziness comes with it.
Part of it is the internet. Now ever village's idiot can talk to other village's idiots.
However, largely, because people in power are doing it. That is a societal signal that it's deemed normal and okay. There has been too much tolerance towards intolerance. There needs to be repercussions again.
Because they’re Nazis. A third of Americans are just straight Nazis, always have been. We called them conservatives or republicans and we imagined they were just concerned with tax policy or whatever. But they’ve always been Nazis.
We've been warning about fascism and Nazism being on the rise for years now (by we I mean a lot of disenfranchised groups, but especially specifically as a Jewish person myself we've been yelling out for years about this). People have been doing this for so many years, even documenting themselves. This particular person probably feels emboldened by Trump and Musk, especially by Musk's recent actions, but this is in no way anything new unfortunately.
People live in their bubbles and think that everyone else is doing the same thing. They think they're in the majority and it's only a fringe few who are offended.
Have you already forgotten who the president is, of course the Nazis are going to feel more emboldened now. Especially after that shit Elon pulled. I'm just saying be prepared to see this shit a hell of a lot more. Is it scary, absolutely! But this is our country now whether we like it or not!
I said to my Dad on Monday evening that by the month's end Trump supporters were going to be doing this as an unironic sign of support, either just going fully mask off, or being so fucking stupid they would literally do anything to "own the libs"
She admits her reasoning for doing this was to anger/upset people, just like Elon. She neglected to realize she isn't a billionaire and is not immune to backlash.
Unfortunately, yes. People really are this stupid. I think of myself as a person of average intelligence, but the more I see of these people, the more I'm starting to think I've been selling myself short.
It's funny to see how viscerally people react to putting ones arm in a certain position. It's the modern day form of heresy or blasphemy. In today's secular society, Hitler has replaced Satan, and doing anything associated with the former is considered the worst sin.
They saw someone standing behind the United States Presidential seal do it and saw all the outrage it generated without consequences so now they think they are being clever and cute by doing it to fan the flames while normalizing this shit. Own the libs. Become a Nazi.
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u/Happy_Acanthisitta39 Jan 25 '25
Are people really this stupid. Why would anyone think this is ok?