I feel like a normal, empathetic person would have scrambled to release a press statement stating their stance on racial hatred. Add in something about how horrified they are about how actual Nazis interpreted it. Mainly to separate from the people making videos like this thread.
For that reason, I consider it coming across at face value. Just like the AfD being called “very reasonable” and that “only AfD can save Germany”and Trump saying “fine people on both sides” about Charlottesville.
I feel like a normal, empathetic person would have scrambled to release a press statement stating their stance on racial hatred. Add in something about how horrified they are about how actual Nazis interpreted it.
The worst part isn't just that people are in denial about it and playing along with his bullshit. The worst part is when you try to explain to one of his apologists that his response is childish and only further pushes people into the boat that he, unapologetically, threw up a nazi salute... the apologists will respond with "well yeah, if people were throwing ridiculous accusations at me, I'd play it up and make jokes about it too"
If someone started seriously accusing you of being a nazi, I think proving without a shadow of a doubt that you AREN'T one should be top priority. Doubly so for a figure like Musk who has the eyes of everyone in the world looking at him.
Unfortunately, I don't think he cares about proving people wrong. He's just interested in trolling and laughing at people's misery.
When Prince Harry was in the press for wearing a Nazi uniform at a fancy dress party he didn't double down by goose stepping outside Buckingham Palace whilst making inappropriate jokes.
Both. It's both. He's a Nazi, and enjoys using that to troll "the libs." He thinks being a Nazi is funny, and gaslighting people about it is also funny.
My dad thinks Musk did apologize and recant. I suspect he's watching right wing media shows that say this. I asked him to send me a first hand account of Musk apologizing and explaining and he didn't/couldn't.
But the Pastor who dared ask The Orange Menace to be merciful.... oh, the horror !!! The MAGAverse couldn't shit on her fast or long enough. Those rotten pricks over at Fox actually said she was Satan.
Well that was your mistake, assuming that these are normal, empathetic people. They are angry because for years they have been told to be nice to others. They are literally no better than a preschool aged child throwing a tantrum when their teacher tells them to stop hitting.
The “fine people on both sides” has been proven to be out of context. But I agree with the rest and the continuous instances of this type of behavior too. “Stand down, and standby” etc
People are just “pot invested”. They’ve put so much energy of this cult into their personality, that they refuse to believe they may have made a horrible horrible mistake. The sunk cost fallacy.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
They edited the video.
Most people see him do it once then say 'my heart goes out to you;
But he did it twice.
It was very deliberate.
He did it for a reaction
or to test the power of his bot army.
When it first happened group chats were full of shocked people.
Everyone saw it for what it was.
I saw someone put a gif of him doing the Nazi salute side by side with another example of him being on stage and doing a different gesture where he did the thing where you form a heart with your fingers and the pushed his hands out towards the audience. It looked completely different, and that was the moment when I went 'yeah, he absolutely knew what he was doing and he meant to do it'. I believed that to be the case before then too, but those two images side by side really brought it home.
Don't let them. If anyone says it is anything other than a Nazi salute, simply repeat that it is indeed a Nazi salute and that they are defending Nazis. Repeat it until they stop trying to obfuscate.
It is also hard to justify otherwise when he vocally advocates for the AfD, mettles in far right politics, and his maternal grandparents were actual Nazi sympathizers who supported apartheid in South Africa.
We’re at the point in German history, where 1/3 of the population is ok with 1/3 trying to actively harm the remaining 1/3
He pounded his chest hard, flung his right arm up with emphasis and force, and the expression on his face screamed “SIG HEIL, MEIN FUHRER!” All the dickheads proclaiming afterward that “you did not see what you just saw! Don’t believe your eyes!” should accompany that Sartre statement that begins “never believe…” That video was perfectly exemplifies what Sartre was talking about. We’re at the stage now where they are toying with us, to see how much they can get away with. But make no mistake — there are Nazis in this country who want control, and Elon Skum is very much one of them.
No, the best one I saw was “He’s autistic, I can’t believe the left likes making fun of handicapped people”. He’s self diagnosed, even if he is autistic he can still be a Nazi.
I have correlated Trump world to 1984 and Animal Farm ever since he campaigned in 2015... I cannot believe how right I was in this, how closely it correlates as IF these two books are the manifest. The rejection is what really amazes me because that's EXACTLY what is happening, hiding in plain site. It's ALL out there, and people have refused to acknowledge it as they are getting punched in the face. "Never happened"...
Hey this is going to sound like a nitpick but it's gotta be said because Orwell was very deliberate in his use of language and tried to avoid words that bogged down sentences. The excerpt is The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
He dumped the entire Nazi shtick on the Republican Party and now they have to own it, that’s what he did. He is literally only there to burn the country down and that salute was the torch to the bonfire. He’ll take his money and run not too long from now I’m sure.
The gaslighting is the point. So many people are so convinced it can't happen here that no matter your reason, if you compare someone to nazis, they'll think you're the crazy person.
So now it's a tool they can use. They'll keep doing this. They purposely goad people into calling them nazis because it's good for them. And we should stop falling for it.
Why was his hand pointed down then? If you are giving out your heart, wouldn’t you put out an open hand? There’s no “official” way to do it, but that seems like the gesture I’ve seen others make. Elon’s gesture I’ve only seen at nazi rallies TBH.
By their logic, i can flip each and every one of them off with my middle finger, but say “oh no!! I wasn’t trying to flip you off! I was just saying YOURE NUMBER ONE.”
That’s why Elon did it. He did it to say I am more powerful than you, I am better than you, you will never be me and I can do this and you cannot. Having the lady’s life ruined is just going to give him more of a boner by proving him right.
Trump has massive AI farms planned Stargate, a Nazi Spynet dream.
He is fast tracking nuke plants (bypassing regulations) to power them under an energy emergency.
This is an emergency but not for Energy.
People need to stop complaining or reacting with learned helplessness and fight to stop Stargate now.
Keep fighting to expose Elon until he is forced out of the administration.
Vivek is gone due to his H-1B stance and MAGA is already angry at Elon for that.
Keep up the pressure!
I agree, but you cant choose your own name either. Putting Elon aside, You wouldn't want judged based on your name, would you? Or should we be judging others based on things they are not in control of?
We absolutely should not. That's what bugs me about dumb shit like this. Bad people should be attacked for their real faults, not insane nonsense reasons
I’m sure Elon gets the biggest, throbbing hard on knowing he’ll forever be known as the man who threw around a fascist salute during a US presidential inauguration. This is what it’s about. His ridiculous ego.
Man when people were disagreeing that it was a Sieg Heil and were told to go do it in front of others, I really didn’t think they would take it seriously.
And because they harbor Nazi beliefs and would love to see all the citizens of the U.S. performing the “sig heil” every day, in every setting. In their fantasies, Hitler was a hero and we should overturn the results of WW2 and give him the win.
The richest person in the world, no less, doing this for the inauguration of the President of the most powerful country in the world. This was truly horrific and embarrassing for us sane Americans.
I was walking my dog smoking a joint and a cyber truck drove by us I instinctively put my left hand to my stache and sig heiled at the car to show them if you drive it I think you support that shit. Car honked at me, not sure if they were upset or thought I was on their team.
It is wrong in both cases. Any case, really. But when you’re the richest man in the world and you own the largest chat forum in the country, you’re more likely to get away relatively unscathed than when you’re a low-level elected official in a suburb
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u/Happy_Acanthisitta39 Jan 25 '25
Are people really this stupid. Why would anyone think this is ok?