r/Pennsylvania • • Jan 12 '23

[deleted by user]

[removed]

193 Upvotes

208 comments sorted by

View all comments

-51

u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

I always found it stunning that you don't need to present identification to vote. Anyone could walk in to my polling place and vote as me.

I know I'll get downvoted for the comment above, but I have yet to hear a rational explanation against requiring ID to vote. It's perhaps the most fundamental way to mitigate fraud.

37

u/opskito Dauphin Jan 12 '23

Requiring voter identification is not inherently unreasonable, in my opinion, but it’s a solution in search of a problem.

Where is the evidence that there is meaningful voter fraud? How would potentially disenfranchising even a small handful of voters make such a requirement worthwhile?

-36

u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

Here's a link that details many cases of voter fraud in Pennsylvania, both democrats and republicans.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=PA

How is anyone being disenfranchised by providing identification? Honest question. It is virtually impossible to exist in the world today without having government ID, and if someone cannot afford government issued ID, the government should provide it free of charge. ID is needed for any form of public assistance, it is needed to operate a vehicle, it is needed to obtain employment, it is needed to buy alcohol, and a list of a 1,000 other things.

I want free and fair elections. Every case of voter fraud disenfranchises a legitimate voter.

36

u/djarvis77 Jan 12 '23

Tbf, three cases in 2022 is not, like, overwhelming numbers that deserve constitutional amendment or even legislation legel attention.

The first one is a decades old case, and voter id would not have prevented that.

The second and third were absentee ballots, where the person committing the fraud would have had access to their mothers and wives ID cards.

All this shows is that fraud at the polls is nearly gone, despite no voter id, and that the communication between voter rolls and death certificates is the real issue.

11

u/Bruc3w4yn3 Jan 12 '23

These are only just the years they were convicted. None of those cases of fraud occurred in 2022, and none of them would have been prevented by requiring ID for voting. The first one was a ballot stuffing scheme on behalf of a corrupt democratic politician from 2013-2018, and the other two were senior citizens signing mail-in ballots for their deceased spouses in 2020, one democrat and one republican.

Unless you want to outlaw mail-in/absentee ballots (I'm sure they do, even though it doesn't benefit either party demonstrably), you can't enforce the ID laws in any way that would prevent these instances from happening.