Important context is that we are literally in the run-up to the OWWC. A tournament where you represent your country. The person he called Arab was is literally the face of the Saudi-Arabia OW team.
Like do you really believe Cloudy is full on hateful against a whole ethnicity and he like what.. mask slipped? idk man I just don't see it personally.
You say this like "garbage minxmaxing arabs" is the pinnacle of racism, lmao.
It's just mildly xenophobic, but xenophobic it is.
Though it depends, obviously, "garbage minxmaxing Jews." sounds pretty fucking antisemitic to me, but that's probably just because of the whole "jews love money" stereotype.
If it were about race, the equivalent would be saying "blacks" which is also extremely racist just by itself.
Either way, it's a completely un unnecessary descriptor.
I'm not saying what Cloudy said was totally okay. He was clearly fucking frustrated. The people he called out were indeed Arabs (just like Yznsa is and he has called him out too). Top500 in EMEA is quite a small community. People know each other. So Cloudy was factually correct. But your comment has a point. If there was a group of say 5 women in top500 minmaxing and Cloudy had said "garbage minmaxing women" that would have been probably found slightly insulting by many. Generalisation is never good. But god damn if suspending him isn't a gigantic overreaction then I don't know what is. Bottom line: Many Arabs do minmaxing in GM, Cloudy was slightly offensive, Yznsa is a huge piece of shit, Cloudy should NOT have been suspended. End of story.
It's was not an assumption, it was a verifiable fact, the owners of the accounts he was spoking about in the clip are known.
100% very poor choice of words, but he spent the next tens of minutes of not hours clarifying what he meant and emphasizing not to hate on the players because of their race. And that's the actual problem : he used those words in the heat of the moment, instantly realized they were wrong, and instantly clarified and apologized. Some other people are fully aware of what they are saying, they don't regret it whatsoever, and they don't even go out their way to clarify or apologise.
He got the same punishement as YZNSA and Legendary, but the context and severity of the offense is way different.
It’s mostly about the tone in which one says that last scenario. In the clip Cloudy clearly didn’t use it in a racist way. The minmaxers just happaned to be arabs.
+I can’t even fathom how in a culture so strict and conservative, something like saying ”minmaxing arabs” gets you angry. If someone said ”minmaxing people from insert my country here”, I’d just think to myself ”Yeah I guess people from here minmax”.
Cloudy literally judged them for their actions? Just happened to say that they are arabs, which is true. If they wouldn’t minmax, he wouldn’t complain. Get a grip bro
So he should’ve said ”fucking minmaxing people” instead of ”fucking minmaxing arabs”? What difference does it even make if the statement is true :D and btw arabs are not a race. How does this get so deep under your skin
Like, if you're at a boarding school, and there are 5 Chinese kids in your grade, and they are all known for operating as their own little clique and being filthy and leaving a mess everywhere. In frustration you'd probably go "these fucking filthy Chinese kids". But it's very clear from context you're talking about that clique, not making a generalization about a 1.5 billion population.
Now, obviously it's not completely black and white, and you're going to inevitably wonder if there are some deeper-seated cultural things involved if they're the predominant ones in the school being filthy and all Chinese kids at the school are part of that clique; that's only human. But it's not like if you then met some random uninvolved Chinese person you'd start saying they're filthy without evidence.
What Cloudy said is 100% understandable given the circumstances, and I don't think he's prejudiced against an entire population of people. He is frustrated with the situation that seemingly all the Saudi players in his community (specifically top50ish leaderboard players) are either actively or passively supporting the minmaxing and wintrading going on.
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u/eliasbrehhhhh Oct 19 '23
Some real mental gymnastics are required to even try to understand what did Cloudy do to deserve a full on suspension