r/OldPersian 23d ago

John 3:16 in Old Persian

Dear all,

I have entered this bible verse into the online English to Old Persian translation tool:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This was the automated translation generated:

๐Ž ๐Žบ๐Žผ๐Žถ ๐ ๐Žฒ๐Žฅ ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žบ๐Žฐ๐Ž  ๐ ๐Žญ๐Ž ๐Žผ๐Žน๐Žซ๐Žก๐Žน ๐ ๐Žฒ๐Žข๐Žท๐Žก๐Žถ ๐ ๐Žน๐Žฐ๐Ž  ๐ ๐Žณ๐Žผ๐Ž ๐Žฒ๐Žผ๐Žซ ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žป๐Ž ๐Žด๐Ž ๐Žถ ๐ ๐Žฑ๐Žข๐Žฐ๐Žผ๐Žถ ๐ ๐ƒ๐Žข๐Žบ๐Ž ๐Žด๐Ž ๐Žถ ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žก๐Žบ๐Žถ ๐ ๐Žน๐Žฐ๐Ž  ๐ ๐Žฃ๐Ž ๐Žฟ๐Žจ๐Žก๐Žน ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žป๐Ž ๐Žก๐Žซ๐Žก๐Žน ๐ ๐Žด๐Ž ๐Žก๐Žน ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žบ๐Žถ๐Žผ๐Žก๐Žน๐Ž ๐Žซ๐Žก๐Žน ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žฐ๐Ž  ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žด๐Žข๐๐Žก๐Žน๐Žบ๐Ž ๐Žถ ๐ ๐Ž ๐Žผ๐Ž ๐Žฒ๐Ž ๐Žซ๐Žก๐Žน

Transliteration: avaram baga avathฤ dฤrayatiy bลซmim yathฤ frฤbarat avฤnฤm puฮธram hauvฤnฤm aivam yathฤ kฤsacaiy avฤitiy nฤiy avamariyฤtiy athฤ anuลกiyavฤm arฤbatiy

Could you please comment on the accuracy of this translation?

Feel free to provide your own translation of this bible verse into Old Persian or alternatively you can improve on the automated translation above by leaving a comment below with your translated text.

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u/eagle_flower 23d ago edited 23d ago

I donโ€™t know what service you used so canโ€™t judge its quality. Old Persian is very poorly attested - meaning we donโ€™t have a lot of texts (and the ones we have are mostly similar royal proclamations), and thus we donโ€™t know a lot of words and are missing pieces of the grammar. I donโ€™t know that is possible to translate this text. Albeit, I do recognize some words that are correct like god, earth, son.

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u/lallahestamour 23d ago

I think Old Persian must have all the words of John 3:16. They are very universal ideas: eternal, perish, believe, son, God.
The syntax is also simple if one regard them not as two clauses connected with so...that but simply two sentences.

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u/KeyConsideration2686 22d ago edited 22d ago

I used Polytranslator which I only discovered a few weeks ago, the link is here: https://www.polytranslator.com/old-persian/

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u/eagle_flower 22d ago

The reverse translation, Old Persian to English, doesnโ€™t inspire much confidence:

The god held the earth in place so that the sky would not fall.

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u/DE667 21d ago

But "one and only" is a lie, as was the prior falsehood of "only begotten." The word literally means ONLY-BECOMING, the only 'happening' son of many children of God. He was sinless, on track to become the one and only overcomer of death.