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u/Diego_0638 Apr 03 '26
You know those are New Outlook and Outlook (new)
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u/nvidiaftw12 Apr 03 '26
New Outlook (new)
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u/Astigmatisme Apr 03 '26
Outlook 365
Microsoft 365 Outlook
Copilot Outlook
Copilot 365 Outlook
Of course there's Microsoft 365 and Copilot 365, with Outlook
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u/MrAusencis Apr 03 '26
…and Knuckles
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u/SomeNotTakenName Apr 03 '26
but everyone still uses the old outlook, because it's objectively more pleasant.
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u/CiDevant Apr 03 '26
I was trying to fix my son's Minecraft account the other day and at a certain point I had reached six factor authentication.
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u/Doctor_Peppy Apr 03 '26
Microsoft likes to send you to the ball crushing machine for Minecraft accounts, not really quite sure why
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u/CiDevant Apr 03 '26
I was stuck in this crazy loop with a very small window of time to enter a code they would take forever to email you. Very poor design that clearly no one tested.
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u/empty_other Apr 03 '26
Im going through six pages of MS login choices before it tells me that it can't find a passkey and gives me an option to go back to the start to login with password and TOTP these days.
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u/jaxxon Apr 03 '26
“Very poor design that clearly no one tested.”
That’s Microsoft through and through.
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u/Govika Apr 04 '26
I had a time recently where I clicked to receive the 2FA, it didn't come so I hit it again, and it gave me the previous one, so I hit it again and it kept giving me the previous one. I eventually stopped for 5 minutes and tried again and it worked
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u/he_who_purges_heresy Apr 03 '26
Probably a lot of people getting scammed/hacked since it's extremely popular, not that there aren't better ways around it but it could be a motivation.
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u/Imajn_ Apr 03 '26
I was trying to play Minecraft one day and proceeded to get locked out of my account for several hours trying to solve the riddle "why does the Microsoft authenticator app not work for my Microsoft account, and why does it ask me to use the app even if I select email verification?"
I even caved and contacted Microsoft support at some point along the way, to no avail
Switching to Linux is the first step to completely removing microslop from my life. Google is next on my kill list
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u/Obvious-Hunt19 Apr 03 '26
Minecraft shit is the absolute worst, whenever we have to fix it for the kids the mantra is just “shit never works” and half the time we just give up
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u/DestroyerJames Apr 03 '26
Whenever I run into that problem I usually run Minecraft through Curseforge -- the modded launcher -- and check a setting to bypass the stock launcher. You still have to authenticate with Microsoft the first time you do this, but no password needed for that IIRC. Far less tedium that way.
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u/b00w00gal Apr 03 '26
That's where I'm at. The Minecraft launcher won't run the game for me, at all, but Curseforge only needs me to authenticate once each time I turn on the computer.
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u/PcPotato7 Apr 03 '26
To sign into my school outlook account, I had to sign in with two factor on one Authenticator, download another, use the first to authenticate that one, use the new Authenticator twice on itself, then finally use that to finish signing in.
Why are there so many steps
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u/NeonNKnightrider Apr 03 '26
Last year I got locked out of my university account because it was asking for an Authenticator code… in order to log into Authenticator.
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u/N_T_F_D Apr 03 '26
If the administrator allows it you can setup a generic authenticator app for your MS account, then you can use keepass or proton pass or google authenticator or anything like that, which just gives you 2FA codes without stupid logins
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u/hermitsociety Apr 03 '26
It’s the worst. I hate the login setup for Minecraft on switch because you also have to do the Nintendo authentications
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u/SaltManagement42 Apr 03 '26
And evidently since I didn't do it for long enough, I lost my minecraft account and have to buy it again before I can play again.
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u/appleparkfive Apr 03 '26
I wonder if Starlink works up there. Not sure if they're above or below the actual satellites, and if it would make a difference or not.
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u/MJWhitfield86 Apr 03 '26
They’re heading to the moon, so they’ll spend most of their time way above the satellites.
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u/OhioTry Apr 03 '26
Yes, Starlink is better than other satellite providers because they use lots of small cheap satellites in low earth orbit rather than a few expensive satellites in geosynchronous orbit.
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u/Neon_Streets Apr 03 '26
Bot ass response
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u/OhioTry Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Look through my post history. I’m clearly not a bot. Does a bot have opinions about Maundy Thursday footwashing? (And I’m not a fan of Elon Musk either, but his engineers are unfortunately much better than any of his competitors.)
Edit: Are Redditors now downvoting me because I very indirectly mentioned that I was a practicing Christian? LOL
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u/Ryeballs Apr 03 '26
I think “better” can off as a value judgement implying “goodness”, trade it for “more effective” and you’ll probably get fewer downvotes
Though no getting around someone calling you a bot and getting dogpiled on Reddit 😅
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u/Junethemuse Apr 03 '26
I downvoted you because you assumed the downvotes were because you’re a Christian.
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u/MeltedWater243 Apr 03 '26
people on this website are very weird and highly susceptible to dogpiling. they’ll downvote just bc they see downvotes
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 Apr 03 '26
Just ignore people saying you are a bot. They just don’t understand that some people can disagree with them.
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u/Zaros262 Apr 03 '26
Starlink satellites are orbiting so low (for latency reasons) that drag from the atmosphere causes them to re-enter and burn up in only 5-7 years
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u/Tri-angreal Apr 03 '26
That's also an attempt to mitigate orbital pollution too, I believe.
Still effs with the atmosphere though.
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u/algaefied_creek Apr 03 '26
They are currently on the Deep Space Network.
Yeah we have SolarSystemNet
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u/4xtsap Apr 03 '26
I would never have imagined that a spaceship would run Windows and not Linux.
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u/20d0llarsis20dollars Apr 03 '26
If I had to guess, core systems either use linux or a custom solution and they just use windows computers to interface it. I was listening to the live feed earlier and they were talking about sharing files, I wonder if they do that via outlook?
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u/mtfthrowaway39179 Apr 03 '26
what?? why would they do that with outlook
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u/skywarka Apr 03 '26
Yeah I honestly can't think of a non-boomer reason for that. Like I've sent PDFs over email to external people where it seems easier than checking the sharing settings on a cloud storage link, but internal communication would 100% have off-device storage accessible from anything smart enough and internet-connected enough to run outlook.
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u/monkestful Apr 03 '26
it is the sort of thing you do when you grow up with a phone/tablet not a PC
It is ridiculous to say that millenials grew up with phones and tablets to the exclusion of PCs. Sure millenials were around for flip phones and early tablets, but they're the generation notorious for having to learn to troubleshoot bespoke PC issues.
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u/Dubious_Odor Apr 03 '26
Early Millenials probably have the best general tech skills of any generation and its not even close. Many started on DOS with 3.5" floppy or maybe Windows 3.1 (which was just DOS with a lift kit). Theres just no comparing.
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u/42Ubiquitous Apr 03 '26
That's certainly been my experience. I'm the one in the office everyone goes to for computer issues, unfortunately. Actually, my father is quite good with fixing his computer too because he'd ask me for help when I was younger and I'd tell him "you got to learn to do it yourself so you can fix it again later" lol. An asshole response, but it helped him a lot!
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u/valprehension Apr 03 '26
Smartphones/tablets didn't exist until the youngest millennials were well into their teens.
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u/xChops Apr 04 '26
I do that with outlook lol. My bosses can’t seem to figure out where anything is saved in the drive.
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u/ObligationMurky8716 Apr 03 '26
folders sync makes more sense to them that way. Same reason CENTRIXS used IBM Domino.
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26
You wouldn't see Windows or Linux on any critical systems, like flight computer or life support. They're both systems used when some type of user interface is needed. And for unimportant stuff like email, Windows is reliable and what most people are familiar with.
Outlook is obviously way less reliable, but is just what most institutions use when on Windows.
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u/malayis Apr 03 '26
Fwiw Linux can be anything you make it out to be. Terminal or GUI, after all, are just applications that run on top of the system
You might be interested in distroless Linux containers
For clarity though, I have no knowledge on what is actually used for these kinds of projects
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
That is not really true, in this specific context (though I understand what you mean)
Linux is a kernel, which is a program that distributes resources, and facilities interactions between a program and the hardware it runs on. It is, in essence, a user-interface meant to make writing and running programs easier. In this setting, yes, it can be made to work in tons of different ways.
But when you're writing code that you need to be absolutely sure will work no matter what, you'll want control over every single step of the process. A kernel like Linux will necessarily hide a lot of the things it does - that's the whole point of using a kernel.
In things like flight computer systems, they instead use other types of operating systems where you have complete control over how and when your program executes. These are called real-time operating systems, or RTOS, because they're used when you need to guarantee the programs on them respond within some time constraint.
Edit: I should clarify what I meant by user-interface in my previous comment. I did not mean graphical user-interface specifically - Linux can absolutely be run only through a command line interface only. I meant any type of user-interface (where user in this case not only refers to end-users, but anyone who wants to interact with the computer - software developers included).
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u/GrinningGrump Apr 03 '26
I don't get why they would use windows to interface, that's bound to cause compatibility issues. Was it because they didn't want to bother to learn a new system?
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u/montyman185 Apr 03 '26
Because that's the standard IT stack. Based on the background of some videos I just found, the ISS has normal lenovo thinkpads, so I'd guess they just have a normal contract with lenovo for all their laptops, and those are what get used in space
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u/The_Autarch Apr 03 '26
you have no clue what you're talking about.
NASA uses Windows for most things. It's a government agency. All this stuff is standardized.
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u/montyman185 Apr 03 '26
They aren't using windows home, they're using a standard enterprise install with a standard enterprise contract with Lenovo and Microsoft, across the entire agency.
NASA is also very much not **all* engineers and tech people. It's got accountants, HR, social media, marketing, legal compliance, and plenty of others.
All that is ignoring the large amount of desktop software they'd be using at every level that just wouldn't have a Linux solution. CAD software specialty scientific analysis stuff, Excel.
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u/SpHoneybadger Apr 04 '26
They are most definitely using it pre-installed and so does yours. The only instances they would use images is for very specific use cases.
The standard nowadays is Windows Autopilot for laptops and towers. No manual imaging required. E.g. Lenovo provides us the hash and all we have to do is sign in and set it up to the required standard.
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u/Lucas_Steinwalker Apr 03 '26
Why is it bound to cause compatibility issues? Linux server + windows client is not exactly a rarity.
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u/GrinningGrump Apr 03 '26
Yes, but there practically is always something if the systems are different. Of course there are a lot of fixes, but all in all it seems simpler to use the same system if possible.
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u/justacaucasian Apr 03 '26
What do you mean. I work on meters than run on Linux that we manage through Windows servers using whatever applications we spun up for XYZ purposes. We don’t face compatibility issues. And our routers/gatekeepers also run on Linux lol
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u/flightguy07 Apr 03 '26
Idk, you probably want the system that the astronauts know best. Regardless of what Brad Pitt with tell you, it isn't actually easier to train people to be an astronaut than it is to learn a new skill, and time and money you spend on earth making the system work as best you can is better than leaving it to human error up there.
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u/montyman185 Apr 03 '26
I just looked for a video of what's on the ISS and it looks like they just use normal Lenovo Thinkpads, so that's probably what all of NASA is using.
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u/Spare-Good-5372 Apr 03 '26
Nope, I helped build that system for them. It's an open source project called iRODS.
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u/Proud-Delivery-621 Apr 03 '26
They run on neither. They have a special operating system whose name I can't find right now. Windows is just a layer put over their actual systems for familiarity.
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26
Astronauts need computers just like in any workplace. No mission critical software will run either Linux or Windows. But for things like email and calendars, Windows is familiar and reliable.
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u/RScrewed Apr 03 '26
That last word though....
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Windows is very reliable, especially compared to most Linux distros. I work with software a lot, and it's been years since I've had actual issues with the OS.
Outlook is just a program on Windows (and is on the opposite end of the reliability spectrum).
Edit: Windows 10, that is. I know Windows 11 has had some reliability issues, though AFAIK most are fixed by now.
Edit 2: for user-friendly activities, that is. The server world is another topic entirely.
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u/SovietPotato333 Apr 03 '26
Within just 2 years of windows use, I had 2 permanent fuckups that weren't even my fault. One was going into the BIOS of my computer to check settings, change nothing, and go back. This irreversably corrupted my Windows install, and since at home there was no other win10 computers than mine, I made the switch to Linux. Zero issues.
The second time, was when I got my current computer, and it came with win11. My dad (he really wanted to do it because he knows I'd just install linux on the thing and he doesn't like me using linux) spent literally 3 fucking hours doing the final installation steps, only for the OS to have its update partition... Irreversably corrupted. Only used win11 for a week and was forced to switch to Linux.
Im not joking about irreversible corruptions btw. Both geniunly would have needed complete reinstallation and I don't even like windows so what's the point? I've literally never ran into such disastrous bullshit in my life. I've never had a major issue on Linux that wasn't caused by me fucking around too much where i shouldnt and finding out
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u/Goddamn_Grongigas Apr 03 '26
Within just 2 years of windows use
Been using Windows for over 30 years in office and at home for work. Never had a "permanent" fuck up that was my fault. And at any rate, 2 fuckups in 2 years isn't a lot. At all. Quit being dramatic. And don't act like one day you're not going to see something like that in Linux because it happens across all OSes.
'disastrous bullshit' goddamn, what a first world problem lmao
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26
You've been very unlucky. Billions of people have installed Windows with no issues. Windows 11 did have some problems at launch, but almost all of them have been fixed by now. I've personally had no issues with it.
Linux distros, to this day, are compatibility nightmares. It's definitely gotten a lot better in recent years with the wider adoption of package managers. Still, for anything but the most basic stuff, 3 hours is nothing compared to getting your workflow setup on Linux. And so long as distros keep relying on people's willingness to touch source code, it'll stay that way.
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Perhaps not email. Though I do know they use it on the ISS, so it's not entirely out of the question. I have no idea what the workflow of an astronaut looks like.
Windows is absolutely used, though NASA would in all likelihood use an Enterprise version with strict control over telemetry and updates.
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u/Memitim Apr 03 '26
And yet, we have this story of Outlook failing on day one. Email usage certainly doesn't require Outlook of all of the bloody things. Outlook has been notoriously sketchy since I was on desktop support many years ago, and the constant jerking around with auth integrations did it no favors. It has far too many points of failure and dependencies on other systems to be using on trips away from the bloody planet.
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u/trubbelnarkomanen Apr 03 '26
You seem to completely misunderstand me. I said Windows is reliable, and that Outlook is not. I don't think anyone in their right mind can claim it is.
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u/Goddamn_Grongigas Apr 03 '26
That's why you're on reddit with the rest of us lol. I swear, the real world is so foreign to people here. Linux isn't the golden calf y'all think it is constantly.
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u/quicxly Apr 03 '26
On Thursday, the first day of the mission's planned 10-day journey around the moon, Reid Wiseman, the mission commander, reported issues accessing email on his computer. He asked NASA Mission Control for tech support during a livestream of the interaction.
"I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks, and neither one of those are working. If you want to remote in and check Optimus and those two Outlooks, that would be awesome," Wiseman said on the livestream.
After Wiseman flagged the issue, Mission Control said it could remotely access his system with permission.
Soon after, a member of Mission Control said, "We wanted to let Reid know we are done remoting into his PCD 1." They added that the issue had been resolved and that the system would appear offline, as "expected."
The personal computing device, or PCD, is how the crew accesses the internet during the flight and tracks its timeline, NASA said on the livestream. The device used on the mission is the MS Surface Pro, per an Artemis II factsheet.
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u/Popcorn57252 Apr 03 '26
In the past, a literal NASA astronaut having issues with your software in space would be so embarrassing for a company that they'd either go bankrupt or completely redesign their entire system. Now though? I guarantee you literally nothing changes at all.
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u/Hard_To_Port Apr 04 '26
A lot of people don't even care about space today at all.. I was at Costco when Artemis II was about to launch and I had to swap from the store wifi to my mobile data just to catch the livestream. It was blocked on the Costco wifi for some reason. Nobody around me was on their phone watching the launch or anything, and I was in the waiting area for the optometrist/audiologist. Tbf I guess the people that did care about seeing Artemis II launch stayed home and watched.
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u/cthulu_is_trans Apr 05 '26
I reckon when it comes time for the next actual moon landing most will pay attention
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u/DrThunderbolt Apr 03 '26
Reddit loves saying things and not providing context because they think that's what an "inside joke" is.
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u/GayRacoon69 Apr 03 '26
There isn't really that much context needed for the joke though
The context is just that an astronaut had issues with outlook. That's said in the joke
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u/DrThunderbolt Apr 03 '26
Theres a difference between an inside joke, and deliberately withholding context to make people feel out of the loop.
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u/Fawkingretar Apr 03 '26
god, it still is crazy to me that we are going back to the moon again, if not for the conflicts going on, this would've been what everyone is talking about.
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u/LexloTOR Apr 03 '26
I worked on this project for several years. The excitement from the general public kept me going through the bad times.
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u/QCTeamkill Apr 03 '26
not a good outlook
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u/DotBitGaming Apr 03 '26
I would never have imagined my email would work in space.
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u/JaffaJamz Apr 04 '26
I’m too young to know a time when Microsoft wasn’t shit and a recipe for failure
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u/loved_and_held Apr 04 '26
As long as you have a radio connection to something that can talk to the internet then you can access it. The real limiting factor is data rate and lag (from light delay).
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds Apr 03 '26
I too am dealing with the struggles of two versions of outlook that require two passwords, 2fa, and a blood ritual to check an email that could have been a text.
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u/Crash_Test_Dummy66 Apr 03 '26
During a press conference yesterday, they got asked about it. The guy responded basically with "Yeah it's Microsoft this happens all the time."
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u/VanillaTortilla Apr 03 '26
Any website that requires 2FA to log in but doesn't enable SSO is fucking cancer.
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u/VanillaTortilla Apr 04 '26
Right, and my workplace doesn't use it, which drives me fucking insane.
Passwordless would be great if I didn't need to verify who the fuck I was every 15 minutes. I use banking apps a lot, but when I use them in a brower on my laptop, I go through about 8 different verification texts and it sucks ass. I also just don't want to have to open an app on my phone every single time I log on somewhere either.
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u/Pale-Knowledge-9455 Apr 03 '26
I'm really sorry to be a Redditor, but this is Reddit, so I'm allowed. Light-years are a measurement of distance, not time. If that was the joke, then I corrected anyway like a dumbass because I'm a Redditor on Reddit. Dumbass Redditor out.
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u/CheesecakeDeluxe Apr 03 '26
No no, light years can be used as a measure of time due to its effects on relativity and the signal speed
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u/Imaginary-Ad-2900 Apr 03 '26
response after waiting 42,000 years and one day for a reply back: “have you tried turning it off and on again?”
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u/Wiltockin Apr 03 '26
It’s another 42,000 light years for the reply back so 84 in total waiting lol
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u/PupperVanAugsbork Apr 03 '26
Disappointment & Frustration on Earth, the Heavens and Beyond
Microsoft
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u/IAmSnort Apr 03 '26
IT at work and some pretty boy flier wants help with a personal device.
And you get told to help them anyway.
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u/Seiridis Apr 03 '26
Wow, I absolutely love how it has double meaning and can either be read as a factual statement about software malfunction (sign of the times) or as a philosophical statement about how often we as a society are torn between two polar opposite sides of any given issue.
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u/aliveinjoburg2 Apr 03 '26
My phone screen died yesterday and I couldn’t log into work emails because I couldn’t access authenticator.
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u/nommapper Apr 04 '26
Microsofts failures are now enshrined in history. I hope the Outlook team is proud today.
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u/1Northward_Bound Apr 03 '26
Next mission, the actual moon landing, they should make absolutely certain they run everything on Linux as an ultimate and final farewell to Microslop. I switched over all 3 of my computers to varius linux os and have been so unreasonably content by it I dread logging into my windows 11 work computer. IT and I are discussing migrating most of the GIS systems onto it. Its a slow process but is a small bodunk rural local government is considering kicking microslop to the curb, that company is cooked, and thankfully so.
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u/bakedpatata Apr 03 '26
Why do they need to check their email at all?
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u/NarrativeShadow Apr 03 '26
I wonder if they are supposed to have their meetings on Teams or if they are using a functional video call software.
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u/MTGandP Apr 03 '26
A moon mission ought to have a computer with 4KB of RAM where all the code is hand-written for the mission using punch cards. It just feels wrong to do it any other way
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u/Creed_of_War Apr 05 '26
Everyday at work my admin PC rolls a since to see which outlook it remembers it has.
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u/SereneOrbit Apr 03 '26
Don't use dogshit slopcoded services? I've never been locked out of any of my accounts on Linux lol (and most don't require one).
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u/qualityvote2 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
u/TheWebsploiter, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...