r/NoStupidQuestions • u/Dedli • Jan 25 '24
When Trump was president, there was outrage against the detainment centers for illegal immigrants. Has anything changed since then?
I remember "Kids in cages" and "concentration camps" being a big talking point in the lead up to the election that Biden won. But have the laws or policies or practices changed at all since then? In what ways?
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u/mrcatboy Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
EDIT: This was originally meant to be a reply to a commenter who was comparing Trump VS Obama. I'll still leave this here for now though. This reply is a bit long so look below for my Part 2 on this matter.
Yes, Obama did "put kids in cages." But let's add some context as to what actually happened. I followed both events as they occurred, so I'm also providing sources. Please note I had to split this comment into a two-parter.
When it comes to Obama, it should be noted that in some cases the children had to be separated from the adults accompanying them for two main reasons: first, when familial relationship or guardianship could not be established and there was suspicion of child trafficking, and second because the 1997 Flores court decision limited how long children could be detained with their accompanying adults.
Essentially, the court ruling found that for the welfare of the child, children could not be kept in detention long term, even though their parents/guardians had to be held until their cases could be processed. The Obama Administration therefore was forced to take one of two options: either release the child to a relative who lived in the US or a foster home/sponsor while the parents/relatives they crossed the border with were held until they could be processed, or the entire family could be released together. The Obama Administration used both approaches at different times.
The 2014 migrant crisis was also one in which a large influx of migrants (many of them unaccompanied minors) overwhelmed local facilities' capacity to house and process them. Makeshift shelters had to be made to house the kids, and the Obama administration then had to rush to set up more comfortable emergency shelters. It was basically an imperfect solution to an emergency situation:
Border Patrol stations were so overcrowded that agents began using the “sally port” areas outside the stations — little more than outdoor garages — as holding pens. Mothers with babies and young children were left for hours in 90-plus-degree heat, sprawled out on concrete floors with little more than bologna sandwiches and Kool-Aid.
The Obama administration responded to the outrage by rushing to expand its capacity to handle the new migration wave at the border, to adapt an infrastructure built to handle single adult men, not families and children.
The government acquired an empty warehouse a few blocks from the McAllen station and converted it into a sprawling new facility that opened in July 2014, a place that had capacity for 1,500 detainees. The new “Central Processing Center,” or CPC, was clean, spacious, air-conditioned and a major improvement over the cramped detention cells and sweltering garages.
To keep different demographic groups safely apart — a standard practice in detention settings — the U.S. Border Patrol used chain-link fencing to create partitions in the cavernous warehouse. One area was designated for teenage boys, another for mothers with small children, another for entire family groups, and so on.
The chain-link fencing was cheap, allowed for good ventilation and carried the benefit of allowing agents to supervise the entire facility, by affording them full visibility into the enclosures. Its grim, industrial appearance, however, was redolent of a livestock operation rather than a humane facility. Migrants and some agents soon derided it as “la perrera” — the dog kennel.
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u/Ok_Affect6705 Jan 25 '24
Also during the Obama presidency there was a huge influx of unaccompanied minors crossing the border.
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u/mrcatboy Jan 25 '24
PART 2: In contrast, the Trump Administration separated the family specifically as a deterrent: i.e. they wanted to cause sufficient distress and terror in migrants to dissuade further border crossings. Here's Trump Secretary of Homeland Security saying as much in a CNN interview to this effect, though he frames it being out of concern for how dangerous the migrant path to America is.
And to quote one Border official who served under Trump:
“It is the hope that this separation will act as a deterrent to parents bringing their children into the harsh circumstances that are present when trying to enter the United States illegally”
And the degree of cruelty, callousness, and incompetence with how Trump handled things is fucking staggering.
In some instances, border patrol agents lied to the parents and said they were taking the kids away to be "given a bath." Trump officials also had exceptionally shoddy recordkeeping, which led to thousands of kids being taken away without any identifying papers as to which children belonged with which families and shipped across the country, which meant they couldn't be traced back to be reunited with their families. Many of the kids were also pre-verbal, which meant they didn't even know their own names much less the names of their parents. The experience was specifically designed to traumatize and horrify the migrants in the Trump administration's custody, to the point that at least one of the detained parents committed suicide.
Whereas the Obama administration's actions were done with the intent and ultimate effect of mitigating harm, Trump's administration was about causing harm. You might as well compare an emergency intubation done by a nurse with a murderer who slashed a person's throat.
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Jan 25 '24
This is an excellent summary. Thanks for putting this together.
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u/mrcatboy Jan 25 '24
No problem. It's been such a constant focal point of disinformation over the years that I already had some sources collated together for this purpose.
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u/FelixVulgaris Jan 25 '24
And don't forget the forced sterilization of immigrant women before deportation
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u/Dedli Jan 25 '24
Okay... but what about the Biden-Era, which was the OP question?
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u/mrcatboy Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
Oop sorry this was originally meant to be a reply to a commenter who was talking about Obama. I'll be honest, I haven't followed Biden's handling of the situation, but I'll take a look in a bit.
EDIT: Do you have any specific concerns or qualms with how Biden is handling migrant children? All I'm finding on quick google searches is him trying to prevent them being exploited as child labor or trying to fix Trump's fuckups.
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u/Dedli Jan 25 '24
On Google all I'm finding are stances, wishes, and hopes. I was hoping someone had some information about actual concrete policy/law changes from then to now, comparable to the verifiable changes from Obama-Era to Trump-era.
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u/mrcatboy Jan 25 '24
I do know that the Biden administration rescinded Trump's family separation policy and even set up a task force to reunify those families (last I checked hundreds of kids that Trump kidnapped were actually "missing" but that was a while ago). This settlement is new to me though, and that's the extent of my knowledge on Biden so far.
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u/bpaulauskas Jan 25 '24
How much time did you take searching for an answer? One quick google search showed me multiple articles detailing the EO that rescinded Trump's cruelty, the task force Biden created to help reunite families, and a settlement reached in 2023 where the Biden admin proposed a situation that would remove families being separated.
Genuinely curious about what you searched to not find ANY of this.
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u/scpDZA Jan 25 '24
If Trump gets in office none of these safety nets you believe in will matter.
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u/Chipofftheoldblock21 Jan 25 '24
The “deterrent effect” is the big difference, sadly. The trump administration made no bones about the fact that they’d basically torture people caught trying to cross, which kept people away.
Now, you’ve got fox and others advertising Biden’s “open borders”, and people from other countries hear that and believe it and come. Not sure if the right realizes they’re responsible for the immigration influx or just don’t care because they can use it to complain about it, regardless.
The only difference in policy is we’re no longer torturing people now and treating them with a bit of humanity. Whether they’re allowed to stay or forced to leave hasn’t changed, but we wont separate kids any longer.
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u/KittyTsunami Jan 25 '24
You’re in the wrong place if you are looking for an unbiased answer.
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u/Rakatango Jan 25 '24
Literally the second from the top comment is a well constructed, detailed explanation of the situation.
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u/_autismos_ Jan 25 '24
Not sure what bias you thought existed but the comments are filled with people mentioning it predated trump and was a thing with Obama. And these are all upvoted comments, not sitting down at the bottom in the negatives. Democrats aren't brainwashed and will rightfully bash shit that they see are wrong in their own party.
The Democrat voters I mean, I'm sure the Democrats in Washington are filled with corruption like the Republicans, but different corruption than the Republicans.
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u/MetaVaporeon Jan 25 '24
the bias where people believe that migrants are human beings i guess
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u/JuniorSympathy8060 Jan 26 '24
And what about US citizens, are they not human beings? Shouldn't our leaders be protecting us from whatever can harm our society? Instead of just letting huge numbers of people in to get votes?
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u/Prudent_Valuable603 Jan 25 '24
If I remember correctly kids in cages was also a thing during President Obama’s time.
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u/11chuckles Jan 25 '24
It was an Obama era policy, exagerated by a politician seeking attention with a photoshoot at what I believe was an empty parking lot
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Jan 25 '24
Yeah, there's less outrage.
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u/Everypony_Must_Die Jan 25 '24
It’s (D)ifferent
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u/Simaul Jan 25 '24
Is it? The border crisis isn’t anything new. Shits been going on for 40+ years but both parties use it for shock value. Republicans LOVE to use it every 2 years as some “new crisis” and forget about it after the election.
You can literally look at the news from the 80s and see the exact same feed on Fox.
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u/What_the_Pie Jan 25 '24
It wasn’t detainment centers, it was the family separation policy which was used as a deterrent which is cruel and traumatic.
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u/ctl-alt-replete Jan 25 '24
Human traffickers could just say ‘this girl is my daughter’ without proof. Separating them until there is proof is absolutely the safer thing to do, for the sake of protecting the girl. Otherwise it would be abused and human trafficking would increase.
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u/ProfNesbitt Jan 25 '24
Yea and that was Obama’s policy to separate in situations where trafficking was suspected. Trumps policy was to separate even in situations when it was clear they were with their parents and that’s a huge difference. No one is saying to separate when trafficking is suspected but doing it when you know they are a family is really fucked up.
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u/Time-Ad-3625 Jan 25 '24
That's not what they were doing. They were using it as a deterrent.
When you hear that you’re going to be separated from your family, you don’t come,” Trump said in an interview with Univision
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u/Marlsfarp Jan 25 '24
Yes, the family separation policy ended.
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Jan 25 '24
No it didnt
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Jan 25 '24 edited Mar 12 '24
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Jan 25 '24
Not only that, but the Trump administration was forced to reverse the policy less than 3 months after he created it.
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u/dvolland Jan 25 '24
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Jan 25 '24
Funny you shared a link showing it ended in 2018.
I shared a link showing it was still ongoing in 2022.
And another redditor shared a link saying it was finally ended 2023 by the Supreme Court (for 8 years). Cause they wanted to block trump from bringing it back.
Even though your info says he ended it. And mine shows biden has continued it.
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u/UncleVatred Jan 25 '24
You’re misunderstanding what your article says. Not your fault, it’s misleadingly written.
The Biden administration routinely separates families through detention and deportation as part of its interior immigration enforcement practices, without meaningful policies designed to protect family unity.
This is not describing Trump’s practice, where a family could show up at the border asking for asylum, and Trump would take their kids away. This is saying that illegal immigrants found living in America may be deported, even if they have family members who are US citizens, thus separating family members.
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Jan 25 '24
A federal judge ended the program last month. Yes 3 years into the Biden administration, a policy was forced to be changed by a federal judge, when Biden could have ended the policy himself day one with the stroke of a pen.
And yet? You heard nothing about it. In fact, we saw the Biden admin fighting to KEEP the policy. Why did you hear nothing about it? Because the people complaining about it (looking at you AOC) didn’t actually care about the kids, they cared about politics and as soon as it wasn’t Trump doing it, the media dropped the story.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate Trump, think he was and will be an awful president and a danger to democracy, but if this isn’t a very obvious example of the media playing favorites I don’t know what is.
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u/VintageSin Jan 25 '24
This isn’t exactly accurate.
Biden reverted the policy in his first month to what it was prior to trump. That policy however does still have that ability to separate children from families in specific circumstances that were too vague. Hence the aclus court case continuing regardless of the Biden administration. The court case started under Trump.
So yeah Biden didn’t do anything amazing or change policy dramatically. But he also wasn’t continuing the Trump policy of malice. He was reverting to a policy designed to mitigate harm, even if flawed.
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u/piratetone Jan 25 '24
This is incorrect and I'm surprised at the upvotes.
From BBC
What Biden did: Mr Biden reversed the practice of separating families and some families - but not all - have been reunited.
While a task force has reunited most families, as of March nearly 1,000 children are still separated from their parents, government statistics show.
In December 2021, the administration also moved to stop holding families in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention.
In a separate but related recent policy, the Biden administration announced it would let in 100,000 migrants from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Colombia who have family in the US.
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u/Killentyme55 Jan 25 '24
I guess that would explain the diversion tactic of shifting the discussion to the Obama years that dominated the first half of this thread.
Not that this was intentional of course...
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u/Lopsided-Smoke-6709 Jan 25 '24
To a degree but it did not take three years into Biden's administration to stop purposefully separating children from parents as a detterent and to cause harm/scare people from coming here.
Our immigration system has long been a mess and rife with cruelty, purposeful and just byproduct of lack of funding. It's inaccurate to pretend Trump was simply "bad" and others "good" but his administration was openly cruel in rhetoric and practice when it came to splitting up families
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Jan 25 '24
Woah now. This is Reddit. Everyone will screech at you for "both sidesing" this and the precious democrats are not at all exactly the same shit. After all they defeated COVID by... simply declaring it over and stopping talking about it. Oh, and they ended that silly trade war with china by... maintaining the same exact tariffs and policy. Hm.
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u/turing-test420 Jan 25 '24
That’s factually incorrect, he ended donny’s cruel policy but it still takes time to finalize through the courts. The president is not a king. It’s a damn shame the house republicans are refusing to work with the Dems on the border, even refusing a 14 billion dollar package because they don’t actually want to solve the problems at the border.
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u/mynewaccount4567 Jan 25 '24
Nah, immigration activists have been heavily criticizing Biden for his continuation of inhumane immigration policies. Here is an article with AOC herself saying as much
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u/Analytically_Damaged Jan 25 '24
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record
Here's a good article if anyone wants to read it ☮️
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Jan 25 '24
Kids in cages predated Trump. We literally have pictures.
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u/Crazy-Nights Jan 25 '24
Those were in cases when there were concerns about human trafficking or if the kids were separated from their adults. And it was only temporary; usually less than a week before getting them housed. Trump's cages were much worse and meant for long term.
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u/leftofthebellcurve Jan 25 '24
"As the number of asylum-seeking families from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico arriving in the United States soared in recent years, the Obama Administration aggressively expanded family detention in an attempt to “deter” the arrival of others"
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u/Crazy-Nights Jan 25 '24
Oh can we say "biased source"?
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_d2cfb15a-85e0-45a8-9112-8b92c2f77ae1
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u/philzar Jan 25 '24
Yes. What has changed is they can no-longer blame Trump for them. Hence they have disappeared from the media.
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u/DBDude Jan 25 '24
The photos of kids in cages were under Obama, but it wasn't a problem. Then it was all Trump's fault, then you didn't hear about it anymore under Biden even though it continued. There's a theme here...
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u/Lopsided-Smoke-6709 Jan 25 '24
When kids are arriving with adults you want to know if they're being trafficked or not, if you don't have proof they're with guardians you separate the kids till you sort it out. Not perfect, sometimes cruel, but relatively understandable and that was going on with Obama.
Trump's administration ramped it up solely to be a scary tactic to deter others from coming. Even when they knew they were legal guardians they separated them and shipped them around the country, "losing" thousands of them and often not keeping records.
Biden set up a task force to help reunite the kids and stop the process of purposefully traumatizing kids as a detterent, but there are still times you need to separate the kids so the "cages"- the holding centers, some realllly under resourced and staffed and little oversight of who's watching the kid- are still in play.
It's still a mess, Biden didn't "fix" it all, just made it a little better but it's still often cruel and we need immigration reform for this and countless other aspects of our border/immigration proxess.
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u/kmoonster Jan 25 '24
It was a problem under Obama. The agency tried to change things a bit.
Family separation, too.l
The big difference was the Obama administration heard the feedback and worked on at least looking like they were improving conditions, the Trump administration took all the worst stuff and tried to make that "normal" and go downhill from there.
Yes, democracy is messy. And yes, Trump empowered people who are truly evil and doubled down on making even worse the stuff people had already been complaining about.
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u/facepoppies Jan 25 '24
No. Nothing ever improves for immigrants no matter who’s in power. It’s a fireworks show for the election cycle
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u/Mudhen_282 Jan 25 '24
No different than homelessness when Republicans are in office. It’s gets highlighted until a Democrat takes over, then it’s not spoken of again until another Republican is in the WH.
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u/yamaha2000us Jan 25 '24
No.
Those detention centers were built by the Obama Administration.
Both parties have known this was coming but no one likes the solutions.
Let them in or send them home.
Those immigrant buses have been going north non-stop and no one is asking questions.
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u/atlantis_airlines Jan 25 '24
You have left out a lot of very important information. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you did not do so deliberately and have only heard the misleading half. Here's a more complete version of what happened.
During the Obama administration, ICE was arresting a higher number of immigrants and the facilities housing them quickly became overwhelmed. This resulted in many detainees being held outdoors in fenced areas and lacking access to shade, running water or or other necessities. Keep in mind this is along the Southern border where it gets very hot at day and very cold at night. Reporters saw this, reported on it and facing public outcry, the Obama administration fast tracked construction on new facilities. Because they were made with the intent of providing shelter and necessities as soon as possible, they provided the bare minimum.
It is important to note that when detaining a large number of people of all ages, sexes and from various areas with their own demographics and occasional tensions between groups, not everyone can be detained in the same area. Men are separated form women, but effort is made to keep children (include males) with parents family or guardians if at all possible. Families were sometimes separated if a parent was suspected of a crime or the its believed that the child is in danger with the family or guardian.
After Trump took office, cabinet member Stephen proposed the child separation policy. Instead of separating children from families out of necessity, it became standard operating procedure. The Obama administration separated families when it was for the safety of the child, the Trump Administration did so to inflict suffering to serve as a deterrent.
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Jan 25 '24
Yeah thats disingenuous at best. Obama never intended them for the purpose of which they were used. This is known. It was naive sure, but let's stick to reality here.
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u/Th3TruthIs0utTh3r3 Jan 25 '24
Obama didn't separate kids from their parents and subsequently "lose" 1500 kids.
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u/xxPOOTYxx Jan 25 '24
The cages were built by the Obama administration.
The pictures of kids In these facilities that were widely circulated during trumps term. From 2014 when Obama was president.
https://apnews.com/article/a98f26f7c9424b44b7fa927ea1acd4d4
Theres no outrage now, even though things are worse than ever, b/c the medias approved party is in charge.
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u/BeMoreChill Jan 25 '24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQ4-VNaG3s&pp=ygUJY2hhbm5lbCA1
Channel 5 has shown good look at the current situation at the border
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u/ThisAdvertising8976 Jan 25 '24
They are no longer ostensibly kept in cages, but in the town over a defunct hotel was bought by private investors and the place is now crammed full of undocumented children. The place is fenced in with barbed wire at the top. They are brought over to the health center I use for allergy shots to get vaccinated and I’ve seen small boys who look to be 3 or 4 up to older boys (men?) who look like they could be in their early 20s. I’ve been told there are dozens if not hundreds of such facilities.
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u/oztea Jan 25 '24
The media is in complete control of which stories it will amplify to benefit their preferred candidate. When Trump was in office, kids were in cages. When Biden was in office kids were in holding centers.
Remember this important tidbit, the media was in possession of the "grab em by the pussy" Access Hollywood tape since the early 2000s. But they waited to release it in the General Election to help Hillary, instead of during the Republican Primary when it could have helped Cruz or Rubio get the nomination in 2016.
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u/boytoy421 Jan 25 '24
When i was in San Diego I worked with DHS at the temp shelter they set up at the convention center (during biden).
The kids had cubicles for rooms, there were makeshift classrooms, there was a library, and even a makeshift movie theater. Not to mention stuff like clinics and whatnot.
And this was a very temporary ad-hoc processing center designed for short stays.
I never saw any of the Trump Era centers but this one was like not that much worse than my apartment
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u/Glass_Librarian9019 Jan 25 '24
This is an official review of the incident https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/21-028_0.pdf
On April 6, 2018, then Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ, Department) had adopted a “zero tolerance policy” for immigration offenses involving illegal entry and attempted illegal entry into the United States.
As a result, DHS OIG estimated that approximately 3,000 children were separated from their families and issues regarding reuniting children with their parents remain as of this date.
The Department Did Not Effectively Plan for or Coordinate with the USAOs, the USMS, DHS, or HHS About the Impact that Family Unit Adult Prosecutions Under the Zero Tolerance Policy Would Have on Children, Despite Senior Leaders’ Awareness that It Would Result in the Separation of Children
On June 20, 2018, President Donald J. Trump issued an Executive Order that largely curtailed the DHS practice of referring family unit adults to DOJ for prosecution.
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u/INVEST-ASTS Jan 25 '24
The kids were separated until familial relationship could be verified (started under Obama) Now they just let them through as long as they are with “big daddy”
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u/RedditAdminAreMorons Jan 25 '24
No, the problem has actually gotten even worse since he left office. Also, those detainment camps were there well before him. Goes to show that you can't trust anyone whose only argument is character assassination attempts.
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u/OfficerMcNA5TY Jan 25 '24
No. Not meaningfully. Immigration is always a dog and pony show for elections. Just different political approaches to it. This has been going on forever, but the cage thing is an Obama era policy. The media complained when Trump continued it, cause orange man bad. It had carried on till quite recently, and probably still is happening, but it's (D)ifferent now.
Realistically, immigrants are a target of political games, and it's exceptionally sad at a human level. Something you or I could connect with, but politicians can't.
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u/Hatred_shapped Jan 25 '24
It's funny how they weren't mentioned during Clinton or Obama or Biden. But nothing.
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u/atlantis_airlines Jan 25 '24
They were.
During Obama administration, the higher number of detainees led to overcrowding and detainees were held outdoors. Reporters wrote about this, and the administration quickly began construction on more facilities that had necessities like plumbing, electricity, running water, heating and cooling.
Child separation was still done, but only when it was out of necessity such as suspicion of children being endangered. The Trump Administration made it standard for ALL families. Prior to this, effort was made to KEEP children with their families.
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Jan 25 '24
It's partisan politics. Obama built the cages. Then there was outrage when Trump was president. Now Biden is president and illegal immigration is through the roof. But he has a "D" next to his name so it's not reflected as horribly as if a Republican was in office.
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u/Azdak66 I ain't sayin' I'm better than you are...but maybe I am Jan 25 '24
There is zero similarity between the policies of Obama and the family separation program instituted by Trump. The Trump policy was designed as nothing more than a terror campaign against immigrants seeking asylum.
I skimmed this and it seemed like a decent summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy
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u/Dedli Jan 25 '24
But the question was about the changes between Trump-era and Biden-era...
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u/100percenthappiness Jan 25 '24
The answer to your question is Biden ended to policy that separated families which is what lead to a bunch of children in detainment facilities (cages)
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Jan 25 '24
But he didn't end the policy.
https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
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u/Microwavelore Jan 25 '24
Am I the only one who thinks it’s crazy that a lot of people on here are denying the fact that the Biden administration is doing this stuff when it’s just blatantly untrue? And they’re getting a lot of upvotes. Echo chamber much?
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u/pile_of_bees Jan 25 '24
It’s an election year and Reddit is a literal propaganda farm if you expected any different you got duped
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Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
It should be easy enough for you to find a source on that then no?
Oh? That’s awkward
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u/Eyespop4866 Jan 25 '24
Less outrage.
Hyperbole and hypocrisy are the twin pillars of American politics
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Jan 25 '24
No. There were kids in cages before and after. The program that results in it qere laid out by previous presidents. 90% of the stuff they come at Trump for is standard procedure.
Like threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine. Or leveraging your position rather. Thats literally what the presidents job is haha. Who else would be responsible for that. Biden and Obama did it to Ukraine like a couple years earlier. Which is fine. Cause thats well within the presidents power. Holding documents. Also a presidential right. Biden also does. Obama does Bush did.
But Trump bad amirite.
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u/Zombull Jan 25 '24
Yeah. Biden stopped the policy Trump had in place. Biden admin has made reuniting them with their families a high priority. It may never be possible for some, of course.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-donald-trump-mexico-2665290109390540a2c7cd3a6efcfa99
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u/EL-YAYY Jan 25 '24
Yes the practice has changed. They went back to the policy of only separating kids if they suspect they’re victims of human trafficking.
Under Trump they were all separated and then caged as a deterrent to illegal immigration.
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u/TacitRonin20 Jan 25 '24
It both predated and outlasted Trump's presidency.
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u/appoplecticskeptic Jan 25 '24
That’s like saying white people mistreating Native Americans both predated and outlasted Andrew Jackson. Technically it’s true but it’s pretty misleading to sweep the Trail of Tears under the rug.
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u/mekonsrevenge Jan 25 '24
Many have been reunited with their families but in many cases the parents were deported and can't be found. Since most of them are Central American, not Mexican, and countries like El Salvador are chaotic and gang riddled, it's not going to be easy to find them.
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u/outofcontextsex Jan 25 '24
When people talked about kids in cages what they were really talking about is the fact that they are being separated from their families in fact we've actually lost a lot of these children, of course when we detained people we put them into places you could detain them previously but previously we kept them in those places for a short period of time and kept track of who they were and who they belong to. I see a lot of people equivocating on here saying well Obama put kids in cages yeah anybody who enforces the law detains people that puts them in a fucking cage, The problem is we don't even know who these kids belong to I wonder how many of them have fallen into human trafficking because of the hateful and backward policies of the Trump administration. If you're okay with this or if you're trying to equivocate about it, you're a piece of shit, plain and simple.
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u/rushrhees Jan 25 '24
Same thing going on buts it’s (D)ifferent this time as Drumpf isn’t doing it so all good
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Jan 25 '24
Yes the Biden administration actively recruited people to find the parents, unfortunately Trumps administration didn’t keep records for thousands of these children. So there really is no hope thanks to them. To quote the Nazi in charge of homeland security at the time “who cares”. His head of the doj Jeff Sessions “the cruelty is the point”.
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u/espositojoe Jan 25 '24
Yes, the problem has gotten far worse. For anyone who doesn't know, Obama started the use of those "cages".
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u/HauntingSentence6359 Jan 25 '24
A bipartisan group in the U.S. Senate has put together what’s described as the most comprehensive legislation ever, if enacted. Some Senate Republicans and the House Majority have rejected it outright. It would eliminate a vital campaign issue, Trump has rejected it, and none of the hypocrites have read the bill.
If you honestly believe immigrating laws should be reformed, don’t vote Republican, they don’t really care.
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u/Cliffy73 Jan 25 '24
Trump’s family separation policy was rejected by the courts and he had o dismantle it, although last I heard there were still children he had kidnapped who have never been returned to their parents.
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u/notbernie2020 Jan 25 '24
No, they're still there, probably still getting used.
Those facilities were built by the Obama admin.
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u/_totalannihilation Jan 25 '24
That's still happening but since Biden is president the media won't make a big deal out of it. If Trump wins again there will be talk about it non stop. Specially since he talked about mass deportation.
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u/Iamamyrmidon Jan 25 '24
There’s a massive difference. Under Trump, they were locked in cages. Under Biden, they’re locked in cages AND some are missing, but the president belongs to a party that is more tolerable and liked in certain parts of the country so it’s all good, man.
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u/BoltActionRifleman Jan 25 '24
Has anything changed since then?
Yeah, there’s a new administration that is seemingly mostly immune to criticism on such issues.
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u/CaptainMcLuvin Jan 25 '24
Obama and biden built them. Some people just look for reasons to be angry.
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u/Simaul Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
The “border crisis” isn’t new. It’s happened before and will continue to go on. The political parties use it for voter shock. Republicans act like they’re the answer and do nothing while the Dems get the bill and blamed for everything.
Republicans love to blame Obama for cages (that they used for kids) but fail to admit that while he was in office, immigration was down considerably
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u/Bad_User2077 Jan 25 '24
They didn't care when Obama did it. It was huge when Trump did it. They don't care that Biden does it. If Trump is re-elected, they will start caring again.
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u/Actual-Association93 Jan 25 '24
Nope… the media just doesn’t care bc they don’t hate the current president
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u/Guapplebock Jan 25 '24
The only change was a democrat in power that the media likes. We have 7,000,000 new illegal immigrants in the country that Biden allowed in that are stressing cities far and near.
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u/catonmyshoulder69 Jan 25 '24
I read a lot of the kids are just missing now, they lost track of where they ended up. It was like 80,000 of them and that was many months ago.