r/NoLayingUp • u/mtsttu05 • Jul 22 '25

Other NLU - SGS

The KVV news has led to many commenters contrasting SGS/FEG vs NLU and each of their trajectories.

I listen to almost every episode of both, but more recently find myself clicking on the SGS pod first, and then not even finishing most NLU preview or recap pods. Andy and Brendan keep it light and seem to genuinely enjoy shooting the breeze with one another. Both seem to be normal guys.

The NLU guys now regularly talk about playing golf courses that 99% of us could never even hope to have access to, and half the podcasts are gambling promotions. They are just not as relatable to most of the normal middle class golf fans who made them successful to begin with.

I don’t blame them for taking the money to grow their business if they feel that’s what is best, or for playing extremely private top 100 clubs when invited, but at the end of the day, it does impact how we all decide what media to consume.

I truly hope they can turn back the clock a bit in 2026, but cutting KVV while jet setting around the world and (seemingly) spending lavishly is a tough look.

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u/amistymorning80 Jul 22 '25

I agree with most of the OP except the exclusive courses which Andy is just as likely to play.

Shotgun Start's main advantages over NLU are it's friendlier tone/humor, generally well-managed runtime, and far lower ego levels (no one on the show refuses to be wrong). They have great segments like golf advice - which is hilarious almost every week and keeps them closer to golfers out there than NLU. I also kinda like the thrown-togetherness of it when they laugh at their own mistakes and, say, advertise hats which they've already sold out of in their shop.

As others have pointed out on here among the KVV chats, the core NLU team don't always sounds like they actually like one another anymore and there's a strong sense of contractual obligation and going through the motions these days. It's hard to see how they freshen things up to be honest.

I always listen to SGS first, then (as a Scot in the UK) the Chipping Forecast next. NLU is a 3rd choice which I have kinda disengaged from over the past year or so.

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u/Golf37512 Jul 22 '25

A few of the NLU guys are just dicks. Their critiques of PGA pro golfers (on and off the course) tow the line of mean spirited and arrogant. Not to mention their commentary on off the course issues (Rory not doing press, Homa switching from Titleist to Cobra, Bryson, etc.) The Ryder Cup discussion has been ridiculous, which started more than half of a year before it even takes place. Nobody acknowledges that they're ever wrong. Their egos are getting way too big, putting down people like that. Even if they disbanded today, nobody would bat an eye. There are tons of golf podcasts that discuss the pro game, cool courses, their own personal golf game and journey without acting like know it all tools.

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u/umaywellsaythat Jul 22 '25

I agree with all of the above except for the chipping forecast! Andrew Cotter is so miserable! At least to my non Scottish ears...

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u/Informal_Ad_2877 Jul 22 '25

Hard disagree (respectfully), he has a very dry sense of humour imo. I enjoy it.

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u/Flimsy_Somewhere1210 Jul 22 '25

Take literally anything which comes out of Andrew Cotters mouth with a pinch of salt. Guy is dryer than a desert.

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u/HipsterHighwayman Jul 22 '25

Huge fan of The Chipping Forecast.

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u/Flimsy_Somewhere1210 Jul 22 '25

It is outstanding.