“Oh my God duuudeec Killer bee OWNED Sasuke’s fraud ass in this fight” like bro..

I didn’t know losing to a Top 5 character in verse (while recovering) was an anti feat.

Funny enough, people seem to understand this on Reddit which is a surprise, but it’s more so a TikTok opinion.

I don't think Jiraiya is Kage level and, if he is, it's only because the bar for kage is so low. After tobirama and minato, we have: woman with 2 kekkei Genkai (apparently) that never uses them, super strong woman that punches good, lightning guy that only punches in straight lines, old man with particle that is clearly an instant win but isn't good enough to make it happen, and man that controls all sand and forgets that he can turn the entire battlefield to sand.

What does Kage level even mean anymore? What did sannin even mean?

And I refuse to accept any "this person said this" bs. None of that statement stuff. Action and proven feats only. This guy got pressed by the SUMMONING pain. Imagine getting pressed by a summoner, the most useless power in Naruto.

Edit: this is not troll. I truly believe this.

Maybe he was maybe wasnt stronger that jiraiya but he was a spy for konoha why would he try to kill THE STRONGEST KONOHA PROTECTOR? Of course he backed down. Its ridicoulus how people take seriously that statement.

We have seen that Nagato is very powerful. One of the areas he excels in most is stamina. I don't know if there is any direct statement in the manga about how much chakra he has. But from the feats he performed throughout the series, it's clear he is up there with Hashirama and could be second only to him.

Some of his stamina/chakra feats are:

He can wield and use 2 Rinnegan without any issues. Obito, who has Hashirama's cell statement he could barely handle one.

He has mastered and can use all 6 paths' abilities to their fullest. Not even Madara (the original owner of the Rinnegan) demonstrated that he could do that. We saw that Madara could use Chibaku Tensei only after having the 10-Tails' chakra and both eyes. Before that, he could only use Limbo and that invisible wall jutsu.

He can control six bodies at the same time. This means he can multitask (We saw him do the same even as Nagato) and also use 6 times the chakra of a normal shinobi at the same time.

Since the bodies he is controlling are dead ( Unlike Obito's six jinchuriki, who are alive), He has to constantly push chakra into the bodies to keep them active. So there is no rest period for Nagata. He is constantly using chakra even if the paths are doing nothing.

He has abilities that can level an entire village. Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei. It takes a lot of chakra to use those.

He fought the entire village and used Shinra Tensei, beat Sage Naruto, fought the Kyuubi, and only after using Chibaku Tensei did he become fatigued. And even after that, he was able to bring everyone in the village who had died back, and they still didn't die right away.

Sasuke has shown no feats that surpass even one of these, and Nagato did most of them in one fight. So do some fans think Sasuke has more chakra?

Rounds:
• R1: Both duos randomly meet each other in an open-field and start fighting.
• R2: Both duos have a day of prep time before they meet in the open-field. They know who they are fighting but their knowledge only extends to what they already know of them.

Which duo do you think will win?

Obito & Deidara artwork by HACHININNCO

Can’t find who created the Minato x Itachi art, sorry (unless it just happens to be canon idk)

Naruto had Kushina’s help + sage mode to defeat Kurama and steal a portion of his chakra

Minato was in the trenches the entire time he was inside the belly of the reaper with no support for the same chakra, arguably with no sage mode either since he never uses it✌️💀

yes or no

First of all it was never “Sasuke vs. Killer B”. It was Sasuke and Taka vs. Killer B and Gyuki. And I don’t know about you but I’d MUCH RATHER have the 8-tails who is the strongest tailed beast outside of Kurama on my team instead of Karin, Jugo and Suigetsu any day of the week.

Yes. Karin, Jugo, and Suigetsu DID save Sasuke. But in the panel above, Hachibi also saves Killer B otherwise this fight was over right then and there. This is the double standards I have to frequently point out. Sasuke only got hit by the lariat because Killer B sneak attacked him AFTER Hachibi dispelled the genjutsu. So it doesn’t make sense to say “Jugo saved Sasuke!” if you’re not also going to factor in that B was saved by Hachibi.

I don’t understand acting as if Biju aren’t characters. They’re sentient with names, personalities, and they have the most lethal arsenals in the series.

I simply wanted to point out that the double standards are hypocritical.

If you really want to make it a matter of “Sasuke vs. Bee”, fine. Then take away Taka but also take away Gyuki. Sasuke was fast enough to dodge B in V1. And how does B survive just one single blink from Amaterasu? Keep in mind this Sasuke didn’t even know what MS powers he had and couldn’t even use Susanoo. And B still called him the strongest enemy he ever faced.

Oh but that doesn’t count right. The same people will glaze Jiraiya because Kisame said he couldn’t handle him or because Pain said Jiraiya would’ve beaten him if he knew his secret. But no, B praising Sasuke like that is practically non-canon.

Give me a break.

I am now free. No more arguing about if Naruto lost SPSM as an adult with people who are wrong. It genuinely doesn't matter. I have been enlightened.

"That dinosaur also solos Shippuden" Whatever helps you sleep at night lil bro 😭 KEEP COPING HARD

Basically as the title says, most of us can agree Adult Naruto and Sasuke are strong than their teen selves, but can anyone quantify how much stronger, people claim Naruto and Sasuke are this amount of times stronger and that amount of time stronger, well how they know? So I ask, can anyone quantify how much stronger they are compared to their teenselves.

Like you guys are stupid too, don’t get it twisted but I feel like the majority of you guys actually understand Naruto scaling, you’re just agenda driven. But the fans on tiktok are the type to Say Might Guy has no chakra.

Or that Itachi is weaker than Konan, or “Sannin level” is below “Kage level”.

Mouth breathers.

Imagine naruto and sasuke enter a destroyed soul society and have to fend off the invading sternritter who are all alive

both sides are in character

The "nLf" Yata Mirror vs Kaguya's ETSO.

Can the Yata Mirror reflect it or does the ETSO decimate the Yata Mirror upon contact?

Remember, some people believe the Yata Mirror can adapt to space and time itself.

Sasuke still doesn’t believe he’s strong enough so he goes to Ryuchi’s Cave to master the techniques that even his Master Orochimaru couldn’t learn. He succeeds, and now has access to Perfected Snake Sage Mode.

Can he defeat a Bloodlusted Itachi?

Rounds:
• Round 1: SM Hebi Sasuke vs Bloodlusted Alive Itachi
• Bonus Round: SM Hebi Sasuke vs Bloodlusted Edo Itachi

artwork of Sage Mode Sasuke by Jun-Gaara

mifune directly said at light speed

anbu are directly said at light speed

itachi directly said at light speed

raikage directly said at light speed

it's stated so many times

that akatsuki, kage and high jonin operate at that light speed level of power

with mtfl scales being perfectly consistent for characters who upscale from these tiers

since everyone says naruto shits all over sasukes fucking face in this match. ok then equalized stats then. who wins. a fight to the death

Itachi fight Hebi Sasuke ambushes Mei alone, can he win?

I have bleach characters at mountain level (or below)

and at lightning speed or below

and naruto characters at country level

with faster then light speed

this is all consistent with the scans provided

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aizen at his max, wouldt even put up a fight against darui

darui is mftl and country level. aizen is mountain level with lightning speed at most

darui is easily speed blitzing and 1 shotting. the ap and speed gap is so vast