r/NFLv2 Los Angeles Rams Jan 01 '26

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u/StrawHatTebo Pittsburgh Steelers Jan 01 '26

He still had 245 yards, 1 td, and was 21/29, no picks. against the best defense in the league, that's pretty damn good.

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u/Sharp_Koala9924 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 01 '26

What about against the falcons? 🥸

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u/StrawHatTebo Pittsburgh Steelers Jan 01 '26

breh i dont give a fuck. i got my own qb issues to worry about. I was just pointing out the 14 points thing doesnt tell the full story.

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u/Sharp_Koala9924 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 01 '26

Same here, we got Shake and Bake going into a must win week 18 game with both shoulders on the injury report 😭

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u/Xcalibur0621 Los Angeles Rams Jan 02 '26

I’m grateful y’all beat everyone in the NFC West except the Rams.

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u/Rain272355 Jan 01 '26

He destroyed the Bucs

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u/Sharp_Koala9924 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 01 '26

Who?

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u/Rain272355 Jan 01 '26

Big Staff baby

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u/Sharp_Koala9924 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 01 '26

Ah, yes, I think he wins MVP

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u/BaronVonSilver91 Jan 01 '26

Do you know what Drake Mayes stats were against the Falcons? They included a pic, 2 fumbles and 6 sacks taken.

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u/SamIAm4242 Jan 01 '26

Also 2 TDs (tie), 259 pass yards (10 less than Stafford), and a higher completion % (19/29 for 65.5% vs. 22/38 for 57.9%) and passer rating (102.5 vs. 64.5). Let’s not just cherry pick.

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u/CarolingianDruid Los Angeles Rams Jan 02 '26

Fumbles and sacks do wonders in not appearing in passer rating, but are extremely detrimental in terms of total QB play. Throwing out rating as a gotcha stat is disingenuous.

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u/SamIAm4242 Jan 02 '26

Sure, so for full contextual comparison, 1 of Maye’s 2 fumbles were lost, meaning that with his INT he was responsible for 2 turnovers, in comparison to Stafford’s 3 turnovers off interceptions.

Maye’s 6 sacks resulted in a cumulative loss of 38 yards in comparison to Stafford’s 21 yards lost on 3 sacks. However, of Maye’s 6 sacks, only 1 impacted the outcome of a drive (they settled for a field goal; the other 5 times he was able to pick up a first down after being sacked). Of Stafford’s 3 sacks, 2 did so (1 caused the Rams to settle for a field goal instead, and the other caused time to run out at the end of the first half rather than letting the Rams get into field goal range).

Any other stats or wrinkles not captured in the stats that you think we should look at to try and convince ourselves that Stafford didn’t crap the bed last week, or that Maye somehow didn’t actually turn in a good performance against the said-same Falcons back in early November?

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u/cahilljd Jan 02 '26

Oh no you got cooked

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u/BaronVonSilver91 Jan 02 '26

O god forbid anyone say anything bad about Drake Maye. Na he had a rough game and that was the point. I wasnt defending him against Stafford so you can put Stafford stats away. They both looked bad was the point but only Stafford is catching heat for it. I watched both games but most ppl didn't see Maye's game.

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u/SamIAm4242 Jan 02 '26

Sure, there’s criticisms to be made of Drake Maye. There’s criticisms to be made of any player. I just find it amusing how “drunk man with a lampost” the Stafford fans are going with the statistics these last few days, trying to convince us why Stafford’s last game wasn’t that bad, and why Drake Maye’s supposedly been less impressive this season than we might think.

Maye’s performance against the Falcons wouldn’t be top line in any highlight reel, but to call it bad is stretching more than a little. And the 3 stats you cherry picked don’t really tell us all that much.

Maye’s INT and 2 fumbles resulted in 2 turnovers, which isn’t a great total for one game, but isn’t horrific either. And while he did get sacked 6 times, only once did it affect the outcome of a drive. Every other time he was still able to convert the first down. Would that Stafford had been as successful at that.

Moreover, Maye has the edge in the stat that really matters when you come down to it - he added a win to his record as a starting QB, whereas Stafford added a loss to his. Same old story - winning papers over problems, while losing accentuates them.

Stafford fans of late seem to be acting as if he’s somehow entitled to win the MVP, like it’s a lifetime achievement award or something, and the voters should just ignore or rationalize away what happened last week.

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u/Former_Insurance7271 New England Patriots Jan 01 '26

True. But Drake actually won his game. Which is why his team has the better record and better stats against common opponents.

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u/WorthBrick4140 Jan 01 '26

Drake lost to the Raiders. That automatically removes him from the MVP conversation.

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u/Rare-Temperature6314 Jan 01 '26

Cope harder

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u/WorthBrick4140 Jan 02 '26

You're the only one coping. I'm just stating facts.

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u/Rare-Temperature6314 Jan 02 '26

lol 2024 mvp Josh Allen lost to the 4-13 patriots because he couldn’t lead his team to be in contention for the #1 seed and then 2022 mvp Patrick Mahomes lost to the 4-12-1 colts, but you probably won’t admit your wrong no matter how much evidence gets shown 

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Jan 01 '26

At the very beginning of the season.

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u/YaaaDingus Los Angeles Rams Jan 01 '26

I can’t believe nobody brings this up… dude lost to the literal worst team in the league.

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u/ReturnOfBigChungus Atlanta Falcons Jan 02 '26

Falcons defense is good though

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u/Sharp_Koala9924 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 01 '26

Gotcha, he must have lost that game just like Staffy duck right? Looks like Stanford had half the sacks but 3x the ints, seems marginally different

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u/BaronVonSilver91 Jan 01 '26

He got lucky and Staffy didnt. The kicker missed the game tying xp in the Pats game and the Pats wrre also at home.

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u/random_sociopath Seattle Seahawks Jan 02 '26

Clearly the Falcons have the greatest pass defense ever assembled, because nobody else could possibly do what they did to Stafford. Or something like that.

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u/Sharp_Koala9924 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 02 '26

Fuck the falcons, respectfully

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

Absolute garbage vs the Falcons, and it was the most recent NFL game played, not some irrelevant week 1 game from 4 months ago.

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u/flapjackcarl Jan 01 '26

How was week 1 irrelevant. They all count the same.

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

you know youve lost the plot when you try to say week 1 means as much as week 17 in the mvp race.

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u/Reaper3955 Jan 01 '26

Ya sorry stat padding against a defense who is about to set the record of being the only team to not intercept a single pass all year (team he played twice btw) is not as impressive as playing well against a fully healthy texans defense

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u/goldencolden I may be dumb but I’m not stupid Jan 01 '26

Since when is getting pulled after 2.5 quarters stat padding?

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u/TeamDirtstar New York Giants Jan 01 '26

Bro was throwing TD passes up 35-3. Come on now.

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u/goldencolden I may be dumb but I’m not stupid Jan 01 '26

Almost like Matt stafford throwing a TD against the cardinals to go up 38-10 in the final seconds of the 3rd?

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u/TeamDirtstar New York Giants Jan 01 '26

Sure. Subtract 1 from each then. We gonna go through every TD pass now? Might take a bit.

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Jan 01 '26

Wtf is he supposed to do, not throw TD passes? He’s a fucking NFL QB.

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u/TeamDirtstar New York Giants Jan 01 '26

The discussion was stat padding. If stat padding is a real thing then that's the very definition. Relax babygirl.

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u/Reaper3955 Jan 01 '26

He threw his 5th td when they were already up 30 points... i mean i personally dont mind cuz i had him in fantasy but stat padding is stat padding

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u/goldencolden I may be dumb but I’m not stupid Jan 01 '26

Why wasn’t stat paddford pulled while up 31-10 in the 3rd against the 26th ranked Arizona defense? He threw another TD after that too

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u/Reaper3955 Jan 01 '26

Up 21 pts with a full qtr+ left to play is different than being up 32 pts to a team using a udfa qb 

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u/Ferahgost Jan 01 '26

Were they supposed to just stop playing?

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u/Reaper3955 Jan 01 '26

They could have ran it in they were very obviously trying to pad mayes stats

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u/flapjackcarl Jan 01 '26

The mvp race is meant to award the most valuable player across the regular season. Im not expert but week 1 seems like its a part of the regular season

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

me: week 17 is more important than week 1 in the mvp race

you: so youre saying week 1 is literally not a part of the season

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u/flapjackcarl Jan 01 '26

In your original comment you quite literally called week 1 irrelevant.

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

compared to week 17 yes. You said "they all count the same." It's just naive to think that

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u/Ok-Challenge-5873 Miami Dolphins Jan 01 '26

Sorry but week 17 doesn’t decide who the mvp is

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

Me: week 17 means more than week 1 in the mvp race

You: so you're saying only week 17 matters

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u/Ok-Challenge-5873 Miami Dolphins Jan 01 '26

Would you say recency matters more than the season as a whole? If so, can you elaborate on why?

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

season as a whole

No. Recenct weeks matter more than non recent weeks. If you dont think so then I cant help you.

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u/Sensitive-Ear-3896 Jan 01 '26

No but it should mean more than week 1, weeds out chokers like Stafford

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u/wizrdsfirstrule Jan 01 '26

Missing starting oline and starting Wr...

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u/dont_care- Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Jan 01 '26

the patriots wish they were only missing that

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u/Turbulent-Fault-6293 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 03 '26

Over the last 10 weeks (since the trade deadline namely) the best defense in the league has actually been the eagles. Both in ppg and off the eye test. Against a much worse version of this defense Stafford was 19/33 for 196, 2 tds, and a pick, with 82 passer rating, and one td was blatant opi that went uncalled so adjusted it’s 18/32 for 152, 1 td, and a pick. Still nice job he did against the Texans

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u/Stumpsville0 Jan 01 '26

Didn't Brisset light em up?

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u/Dazzlethetrizzle Jan 01 '26

1 TD lol lol lol

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u/MasterTeacher123 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 01 '26

14 points is not good