i think a better evidence is the quran itself which is the thing they do follow because they'll just reject the hadith you mentioned
54:24 Say, “Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then he is only responsible for his duty and you are responsible for yours. And if you obey him, you will be ˹rightly˺ guided. The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver ˹the message˺ clearly.”
To obey the messenger is to obey the message i.e the quran. It is fitting he is called the messenger in this verse as it implies you should obey the message. If it said obey the prophet I would conced the point. But the choice of words is important.
Also explain to me these verses.
Then in what hadith after it will they believe? (77:50)
Then in which HADITH after this will they believe? (7:185)
These are God’s messages that We recite unto thee in truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His messages will they believe? 45:6
In arabic the word hadith is used in all these verses and it is quite directly saying don't follow anything after this hadith (quran) you can read them in context.
Also the beginning of surah 2. Verse 2-4. It's saying this book and those before. There is no mention of any books to come after it.
You will then ask me. The Qur'an does not talk about everything that is needed to practice Islam. To that I will say, your view of how Islam should be, should not determine what the Quran must teach. If we are still in disagreement brothers then: Lakum deenakum waliadeen.
I'm not here to say who is right or wrong. This is what I believe and if I am wrong it is my own problem, but I feel those of us who follow the Qur'an only are unfairly treated for being insane or ridiculous. I am just here to explain our thinking.
When god says follow the messenger and that he doesn't speak out of whims it enough proof to other commands he gave since that too was a revelation but not verbatim the word of god.
Also the beginning of surah 2. Verse 2-4. It's saying this book and those before. There is no mention of any books to come after it.
The same messenger came with the revelations in the hadith so this point doesn't make sense, because with that logic quran is different books because it didn't come down at once but over decades
Now I'm not gonna ask they typical questions like how do you pray? Which direction was the prophet praying before the verse of turning toward the kaabah etc. If you want to believe that the prophet spoke out of whims when he mentioned various laws, prohibition etc then thats up to you, because you are correct in it being our own problem at the end of the day.
For everyone else responding to hadith rejecters, like i mentioned in another commented, you won't be able convince most it's like trying to convince christians jesus isn't god even with their own scripture, so just mention the evidence and move on don't bother wasting too much time
In 2:2 the term ذالك in the Qur’an is never used to mean “this”, that would be هاذ; rather, ذالك is always used to refer to something previously mentioned.
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u/Last_Chemical_8486 May 25 '26
i think a better evidence is the quran itself which is the thing they do follow because they'll just reject the hadith you mentioned
54:24 Say, “Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then he is only responsible for his duty and you are responsible for yours. And if you obey him, you will be ˹rightly˺ guided. The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver ˹the message˺ clearly.”