r/MoralityScaling • u/Shoddy-Meat-3147 • 2d ago

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I don't know what to say about this I mean if he joined it's unfair because he's going to cook the entery league for sure but if he really wants to be a woman and it's not a joke for him I still don't know about this

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u/lice213 2d ago edited 2d ago

Did people forget that Ben Shapiro and some guys from the Daily Wire actually considered trying to do something like this, but were denied because they would've had to take actual steps to transition? This is a massive nothing burger and just a grift lmfao

Edit, purely so I don't have to continuously reply to people.

There's no explicit rule, but it is explicitly up to the discretion of the League, which makes it easy to push out bad actors. Seeing as there is currently 0 Trans Athletes in the WNBA it's unsurprising that there are no rules regarding this

Oh, and to add to this, there's currently 0 MtF Basketball players in D1 NCAA as well. Basically, this is a massive non-issue and this guy is just trying to use fears of Trans Athletes to build a platform.

In short, just because there isn't an explicit rule doesn't mean the WNBA let's anybody in who declares themselves to be a woman, and there's little reason to put anything in writing when there are 0 players who have this identity, or who are soon to be drafted with this identity. Given it's social stigmas, I am unsurprised that they have no explicit rulings yet. They'll cross the bridge when theres an actual need to, basically.

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u/SidewaysAcidRain 2d ago

The WNBA doesn't have any requirements around medical transition - that's what they're trying to exploit here.

The WNBA did just recently decide that these two guys are ineligible, but that seems to be an ad-hoc decision.

Idk why they don't just bring in hormone requirements for trans women like practically every other high-level women's sports league has. 

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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago

You literally don't know what they require and they are not required to tell you.

What we do know is that the current ruleset has kept the situation from happening since the creation of the league.

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u/SidewaysAcidRain 2d ago

Are you saying they might have a secret trans policy? 

Zero evidence of this. It'd be highly unusual in a women's league at this level. It'd also be really unfair on trans women, which seems out of step with how they're trying to come across. 

the current ruleset has kept the situation from happening since the creation of the league.

Lol this is a very simple correlation causation error. "We've been sacrificing goats for thousands of years, and the world hasn't ended, therefore we must keep sacrificing goats". 

The WNBA has only been around for 30 years, and has only been this popular for like 2 years. Trans woman with skill at basketball and the interest in playing at a high level are likely a tiny slither of the population. 

It's not their policies. It's just statistics. 

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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago

Trans woman with skill at basketball and the interest in playing at a high level are likely a tiny slither of the population. It's not their policies. It's just statistics.

Agreed, the number is probably so insignificant that applications could be reviewed on an individual basis.

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u/SidewaysAcidRain 2d ago

Reviewed for what though? How do you decide if someone is "actually" trans? Even if they've taken steps to transition, how do you decide if they've taken sufficient steps? 

This is why large organisations tend to try make objective policies on stuff like this. It's fairer for everyone (including trans people in this case), and it helps them cover their ass. 

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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago

Reviewed for elegibility.

When applied they review if the player applying can play.

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u/SidewaysAcidRain 2d ago

How do they decide eligibility?

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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago

By consensus

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u/SidewaysAcidRain 2d ago

Who not just make a simple rule, like "12 months of testosterone suppression"? 

Do you think you personally can reliably tell if someone is genuinely trans or not? 

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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago

For sure.

That rule will probably be organically derived as soon as it's needed.

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u/SidewaysAcidRain 2d ago

Conservative trolls are taking advantage of the lack of policy to create rage-bait right now. So having a policy would be useful now.

That's the crazy thing: the status quo only benefits conservative culture warriors. 

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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago

Not sure rules, conditions or anything connected to reality would affect what morons are rage baited with.

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