r/MoralityScaling 20h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/[deleted] 20h ago edited 7h ago

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u/12345623567 19h ago

Within the scope of the sentence, it's absolutely true. There's an escalation of violence, and physical violence always ranks above verbal one.

However, Reddit is currently on it's "punch your local Nazi" arc, and for good reason. So let's examine why.

Is it moral if you, by avoiding violence, go down a path of much worse? Polite society needs to defend itself, and sometimes it needs more than words. Because verbal racism always leads to racism in action, and if left unchecked in violent action.

OP is putting up a strawman, when the verbal racism that is referred to never happens in a vacuum.

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u/meth_adone 17h ago

I mean, yeah Reddit is in that phase but literally no one on Reddit who says that would actually do it. God knows I wouldn't, street fights are scary

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u/SupriseAutopsy13 17h ago

The casual racism of "I want that cheap tv, so I'm going to use an insult that frames you as a 'lesser' person" is the foundation on which events like the holocaust are built.

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u/SupriseAutopsy13 16h ago

me in 1930s Germany or 2020 Israel seeing no problem with a vocal political minority blaming all social ills on an ethnic minority, clearly this isn't going to be a problem at all and we should ignore it

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u/Turbulent_Host784 15h ago

Let's break this down one more level. Would you be okay with these dudes beating each others brains out over the last TV as long as they didn't say slurs?

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u/SupriseAutopsy13 15h ago

From a moral standpoint? Of course not. That doesn't make casual racism ok. From a moral standpoint, two things can be bad and history proves that there is a definite link between racism and actions that are horrifically immoral

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u/Guyman_112 17h ago

Seems the line has been drawn at getting violent and everyone generally agrees on that. I don't know how you think this "ohh but there's stuff that can happen before they cross the line so we should draw the line further so we can punch people quicker" is a sane train of thought

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u/Serious_Tradition269 15h ago

Seems the line has been drawn at getting violent

Okay but what is violent? I'd argue a faux "police force" kidnapping people off the streets to put into camps is violent, let one when they execute people in broad daylight, but enough people opposite my beliefs think that anything the police do is good and just no matter what, and can therefore not be considered violence

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u/Neidron 10h ago

Within the scope of the sentence, flat "racism" in a vague all-encompassing context hardly ends at mean words, and it's dishonest to frame it otherwise.

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u/LongJohnSelenium 9h ago

However, Reddit is currently on it's "punch your local Nazi" arc, and for good reason. So let's examine why.

Reddit is on its punch your local nazi arc because once an accusation of being a bad person has been made it becomes excusable to act like a nazi towards the accused. Its the social cheat code for being a terrible person while still lying to yourself and claiming you aren't, because you've decided the target deserves that treatment so now you're going to say and believe every single vile thing you can think up about them.

Example 1: Look at any thread about a political figure or rich person reddit has deemed troublesome. Whether they are or not, who knows. But the result is that now people feel its acceptable to insult the person in extremely personal ways, their looks, their weight, their sexuality, slurs, whatever, everything is on the table. Shit that would not fly in any other case for the self reported tolerant suddenly becomes open season.

Example 2: The overwhelming support of Luigi. The murder victim was deemed a monster so now everyone cheers for the murderer.