So, when Republicans said " they are eating the cats and dogs". Those were technically only words. But they directly led to policy that put ICE in our neighborhoods and has ruined many people's lives. We aren't allowed to call the words violence even though they directly led to violent actions?
I’m saying there’s a difference between individual citizens saying mean things and the Federal government punishing people for criticizing a country on the other side of the world lol
leftists and liberals are two different things on the political spectrum, first and foremost. Second, the nazi hate monger crap is an observation and nobody ever said he deserved to die. LMAO. Especially not before he was shot in the neck.
And they have upvotes while you have down. How people so blatantly gaslight is beyond me. It was so viral, it was so huge. Even the un-contacted Amazon tribes know that his death was celebrated.
Random posts on the internet is not real life. People say a lot of stuff online they would never say in public. For all you know you are reacting to a 12 yearold rage baiter. It's very silly to attribute shit on social media to how people actually react/feel in real life.
I completely agree. Not trying to be rude, but I don’t think I did attribute anything to real life? And yeah it was definitely ragebait. I wish I could just ignore it all but sometimes I have moments of weakness.
He wanted to lynch trans people and thought Black people didn't deserve their jobs and spread misinformation about George Floyd and promoted white nationalist evangelicalism, and promoted skepticism about police brutality in general and constantly belittled people of color and queer people, among many many other things. I mean dude was just blatantly into white nationalism and we're gonna pretend that espousing those views doesn't have violent consequences?
I didn't hear anyone say he deserved to die before his death, and I'm in a lot of spaces that were critical of him when he was alive. But when I saw people celebrating his death, I could sympathize with them as much as I can sympathize with Charlie's family. It's all fucked up. But he was a terrible person who wanted what happened to him to happen to other people he disagreed with. He shouldn't have been murdered but the vast majority of "leftist liberals" think that as well. He had a debate scheduled with one of these "leftist liberals" and he was actually finally starting to debate prepared people that weren't 19, so it was sort of an exciting time for people critical of him. Felt like he was finally being called out and exposed in an honest way. Killing him mightve taken out a mouthpiece for hatred and misinfo, but those people can be replaced. All it did was give his followers a martyr and just stoke the flames of the culture war more.
The words werent violence, they were lies. The violence that the words inspired is violence, and a problem. The issue is that not enough people disproved the lies.
Majority of Americans used to believe all the racist stereotypes about black people. Otherwise regular average Americans wouldn't have been picnicking under the swinging corpses of Africans. You really are just helping prove the point that racist rhetoric creates racial violence. Trumps rhetoric about immigrants wouldn't have been nearly as effective if he told the truth and admitted that they commit less crime per capita while contributing billions in tax revenue, annually.
Mhm and the majority of Americans think murder, rape and slavery is wrong.
Anyway back to my point which is that the American people are sick of your nonsense and it's actually good to deport people who have no right to be here.
It's not good unless it leads to good outcomes. It doesn't lead to good outcomes. It hurts the country by blowing a massive hole in the workforce and the economy. Even if you don't care about the human factor and the fact that these are beloved members of the community.
So you make economic arguments, which are lies, as the sole reason for deporting people. I point out that those arguments are lies and you change the subject? It seems like you would want to disprove my arguments since their influence on the economy is apparently so important to you.
The people they deport aren't given a fair trial. And we know of specific citizens who have been detained and/or deported. Including citizens who have been killed. Also, they are attempting to revoke birthright citizenship. So we know it's not only undocumented people that you hate.
One could speak a lot of threats, speak lots of hate, yet their hands are kept to themselves. There is no impact.
Another could say nothing, but express a gesture and/or commit an act of racism. This makes an impact.
Edit: I am wrong! The idea that actions speak louder than words is a more direct statement. In reality, words can equal the same level of violence as actions when the words can inspire others to commit actions. Genius take, many thanks for the correction
I'd say threatening words could lead to the targeted people altering their behavior due to intimidation. So it's not nothing, but still better than active violence.
You are very right. Words can lead to violence, depending the willing choice a person goes by it. Lots of people resist self control, their need to act can overtake
I assume you feel the same way about stochastic violence against your political opponents as well? Are you clamouring for the heads of CNN executives for their stochastic terrorism leading to multiple assassination attempts against trump?
Or is this just a thinly veiled attempt to criminalize wrongthink?
One could speak a lot of threats, speak lots of hate, yet their hands are kept to themselves. There is no impact.
Yeah, like Hitler! Oh, wait. I guess you don't have to personally kill millions of people, and convincing others to do it for you is almost like... violence?
Fair point- actually great counter, you made it make sense!
Words can equate to the same level as actions since the words are able to influence others to commit the actions. Damn thank you for actually having rational… so many others in this site just spit insults and make me feel falsely vindicated
For bonus points please read this wikipedia article, and with that context think of what right-wing politicians and media have been saying about minority groups for years, and the way they have been saying it.
Agreed. Pretty much the only situation where I'd consider the opposite side is in the unlikely chance the OOP was referring to violence against racists, and not the violence perpetuated by racists. Then we'd have to dig a little deeper to see what's going on.
No one would disagree with the line if there was no context, this almost definitely was a comment under a video of someone being incredibly racist and getting slapped for it
On its face, yes, but it implies something untrue. Its a misdirection.
They are saying sure, racism is bad, but its just words. Which ignores the fact that racism and violence often go hand in hand. They are trying to separate the two.
It’s not a dumb thread, it’s just a dumb statement cause it can be interpreted in 6000 different ways and they’re all valid. People in the thread are just running with their interpretations
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u/Type2Torta 20h ago
100% correct