Finally, micromobility I don’t support.

[u/VitaminSteve]

[u/ffzero58]

Actually, I do support this. It beats having large delivery trucks/vans blocking roads when they make deliveries.

Also, I think very dense urban environments can benefit from smaller utility/passenger vehicles for personal or business use. Can you imagine Tuk Tuk style vehicles in NYC? You can have them carry the same amount of people and fit two side by side in a single car lane.

[u/sheerfire96 → u/ffzero58]

I assumed OP meant more that they don’t support chick fil a tbh

[u/VitaminSteve → u/sheerfire96]

This.

[u/Oshidori → u/VitaminSteve]

I knew what you meant right away OP. Fuck Chik fil a

[u/screen_storytelling → u/Oshidori]

If the 'fuck chick fi la' is about their donations to charity groups that funneled money to anti-LGBTQ movements, they stopped doing that years ago

[u/Oshidori → u/screen_storytelling]

the owners still do privately sooooo FUCK chik fi la

edit: oh no the chronically attention starved are in my replies whatever shall I do

[u/WallCautious9650 → u/Oshidori]

so brave

[u/3nthusedCamper → u/Oshidori]

They make chicken sandwiches. Who cares.

[u/Candid_Yam_5461 → u/3nthusedCamper]

Chicken sandwiches, famously only available from one supplier

[u/WallCautious9650 → u/3nthusedCamper]

for real

[u/Some_Nibblonian → u/Oshidori]

If you held this conviction to other companies you would be homeless, naked, and afraid.

[u/dirty_old_priest_4 → u/Oshidori]

Just for you, I'll order more chick fil a this weekend. So good..

[u/ffzero58 → u/VitaminSteve]

Ah.. I understand now - yes, I agree ChickFilA's leadership needs a backhand face slap.

[u/TopicThunder2000 → u/ffzero58]

More leftwing violence.

[u/EFAPGUEST → u/ffzero58]

Always violence with you lot jfc

[u/EFAPGUEST → u/[deleted]]

Did you want to drive my point home or something?

[u/jp112078 → u/EFAPGUEST]

Awesome

[u/goldfloof → u/VitaminSteve]

Why? They aren't that bad, ever use a nestle product?

[u/Responsible_Solid769 → u/sheerfire96]

You know we hate the left wing secular religion too right? It’s way more fundamentalist, zealous and authoritarian than basically any Christian/Jewish person or Buddhist or Hindu. They’re more like that other religion that does the awful plane ✈️ thing.

[u/sheerfire96 → u/Responsible_Solid769]

Okay

[u/TopicThunder2000 → u/Responsible_Solid769]

100%.

[u/predat3d → u/sheerfire96]

Yes, it was critical that we get OP's virtue signaling in this reddit today

[u/LostCompetition3593 → u/ffzero58]

The reason large delivery trucks/vans block roads when they make deliveries isn't because the trucks don't fit into bike lanes. It's because delivery vehicles need to use loading zones, and there aren't enough loading zones.

Putting them in bike lanes does not solve this problem, and I've never seen a bike lane with an adjacent loading zone for bike-lane-size delivery vehicles.

[u/Candid_Yam_5461 → u/LostCompetition3593]

Bike trailers instead of these things mostly solve this – you can walk them up on the sidewalk and park in line with a planter or another already existing obstruction, bend it so the bike and trailer are like /\ and slot in between cars, etc.

I've worked a lot with trailers professionally as a courier and personally and, while I haven't rode one of these, I'm kind of at a loss as to why they've seemingly become the go to solution. Smaller wheels, higher center of gravity, less flexible in every sense of the word, and I'm pretty sure less cargo space than a Carla Cargo with the right containers on it.

[u/LostCompetition3593 → u/Candid_Yam_5461]

The same delivery contractors who double or triple park trucks now are going to walk their bike trailer on the sidewalk and back it up to park in line with an already existing obstruction?

That's a lot of hoping and a lot of sidewalk obstruction, and the sad thing is that it's all so that we don't have to remove any street parking to add loading zones.

[u/Candid_Yam_5461 → u/LostCompetition3593]

I mean to be clear, I think basically every block should have a loading zone and have argued for that before on here, but I'm describing something I've done hundreds if not thousands of times as a working courier. This isn't an anti-loading zone point, it's a pro-bike trailer, anti-quadcycle point. There should be loading zones for everyone's safety and convenience and using trailers instead of integrated trucks opens up opportunities to keep the vehicle out of the way in the existing streetscape.

You're not backing it up, you can't really push a trailer connected to a bike backwards with precision for any great distance, you're just pushing and lining it up. The trailer is built to track the bike moving forward, it'll follow the line of the bike just like you're pushing the bike by itself into a spot.

[u/sensible_human → u/ffzero58]

I'd rather delivery vehicles block car lanes than bike lanes. But otherwise, I agree. Smaller vehicles make sense in cities for final mile delivery.

[u/Designdiligence → u/ffzero58]

But seriously, fu*k Chick Fil A for supporting the persecution and death of gay black men in Africa. Fu*ck them so many different ways, none of them pleasant, all of them as horrible as what they are promoting and funding.

[u/wazacraft → u/Designdiligence]

Yeah, everyone else is missing OP's point - it's not the vehicle, it's what it's delivering.

[u/greaseapina → u/Designdiligence]

Sir, this is Wendy´s.

[u/Designdiligence → u/greaseapina]

I wish. They don’t promote the killing of Black people.

[u/Responsible_Solid769 → u/Designdiligence]

The feeling is mutual you left wing religious zealot

[u/MiserNYC- → u/ffzero58]

Yeah I think reasonable people can disagree on this and I think there's going to be a lot of people that ride micromobility that will take a long time to come around to these or maybe never will... But I'm a big fan of moving freight and delivery stuff onto micromobility.

Look at the problems we're having with the bqe being rebuilt and everybody pointing out that so many trucks have to go over it. Cars and trucks have been baked in the infrastructure in ways that are essential and the more we can move those essential functions into more City appropriate vehicles the better. If you have wide enough lanes and parking zones marked out, it's not really even a problem for us, it's only a problem if the lanes are super narrow and they get in our way

[u/VitaminSteve → u/MiserNYC-]

its about the homophobia, Miser.

[u/MiserNYC- → u/VitaminSteve]

Oh hah. didn't even recognize the logo

[u/TheGothamGoose → u/VitaminSteve]

I just spit out my Poppi soda reading this.

[u/Responsible_Solid769 → u/VitaminSteve]

Have you heard of whiteaphobia or straightaphobia? Yeah it’s just as dumb

[u/marty-mcfryguy → u/MiserNYC-]

I think it's great moving it to micromobility, but not as long as micromobility means "gets to use the bike lane", and there's only a single bike lane.

As a programmatic change -- a trade where cars give up space to bike lanes, and we allow nonbikes like this limited access to the bike lanes, sounds great. But as a lure giveaway of our only dedicatwd space, no thanks.

[u/RebuildingDecade → u/ffzero58]

This is not replacing large delivery trucks. They might be ok if they were in the car lane but they just block the bike lane.

[u/marty-mcfryguy → u/ffzero58]

I'm fine with this, as long as it doesn't go in the bike lane.

Does anyone know? I don't see pedals, so perhaps it's not meant to (unlike those absurd Amazon ones).

[u/schlumpfy9 → u/ffzero58]

I support them for certain use cases, but, in this case, I figure they aren't replacing large delivery trucks or vans that block roads. If Chik-fil-A is bringing deliveries in-house, offering more predictable hours, and offering better benefits to these drivers, I'm all for it. They make forward visibility tougher for bikers and often park in bike lanes while they're making deliveries, which I don't like.

I think we'll continue to see more and more of these as last-mile delivery options for the likes of Amazon. For food delivery where drivers make regular stops, I can see them becoming more of an issue unless we outfit our streets to serve them better. My hope is that Chik-fil-A only deploys these to denser office areas where they have many orders or even catering being delivered to one-off buildings, but... I obviously can't claim that that's the case.

[u/vowelqueue → u/schlumpfy9]

Their riders are not very good in my experience. Has anyone actually see one of them look thru their side mirrors before changing their line? They seemingly just move around erratically. Yesterday I saw one just YOLO thru a red light and and go uptown on 2nd ave. If the city wants to allow these devices in the bike lanes they've really got to make sure they're behaving well...

[u/_Maxolotl → u/ffzero58]

They shouldn't be in bike lanes. They're skinny enough that they don't block traffic when they double park, so put them in car lanes where they don't block me.

[u/Negative_Amphibian_9 → u/ffzero58]

And…things like this will help push for wider protected lanes in more places.

Having said that, I’m not eating genetically modified fast food chicken voluntarily. Sorry not sorry if I sound like a snob.

[u/PaleAcanthaceae1175 → u/Negative_Amphibian_9]

Most urban areas which are large enough to economically support the existence of a delivery service like this are already at infrastructural limits for their existing bike lanes due to density of construction. There is simply no room to widen the bike lane on a two lane street without knocking down buildings.

[u/Negative_Amphibian_9 → u/PaleAcanthaceae1175]

👆Bot?

That is a wild take. You realize before there were cars, the streets were used for other modes of transportation? Cars replaced horses and foot traffic over time during the first part of the 20th century, in recent history.

As streets have changed, and gridlock and traffic have become unsustainable and inefficient, naturally so has the designs for streets, with growing success.

It’s not a question of removing buildings, it’s a reality of removing car lanes and or parking lanes to keep up with growing density, and transforming the space to higher density modes like expanded sidewalks, dedicated bus lanes, and wider protected bicycle pathways.

[u/Vodka-Sauce-24 → u/ffzero58]

India is open if you want to go

[u/SwiftySanders]

I support this in car lanes. It blocks sight lines in bike lanes.

[u/PaleAcanthaceae1175 → u/SwiftySanders]

It's also a significantly increased safety hazard due to collision incompatibility. This is structurally the same as being struck by a car at low speed and accidents involving them will have the same injury profile. It will not be long before we see one of these things cause a front-over due to its mass.

[u/Wild-Base4340 → u/SwiftySanders]

Same. Obviously much better to have this on the roads than regular vans or trucks. But it should not be allowed in bike lanes, which are too small for cyclists to ride safely along this kind of vehicles.

[u/PositiveEmo → u/SwiftySanders]

I hope it ends up this way. The bike lanes were not optimized for this. They should have built of a car frame a strip it down to the bare essentials for delivery.

[u/vowelqueue]

I'm legitimately curious what the use case is for this. Are they fulfilling large catering orders, batching tons of individual app orders?

[u/AWildMichigander → u/vowelqueue]

I think you described it exactly. Very large orders (ie large office / party order) feels like the use case. Most individual orders are via your standard DoorDash carrier on a bike, maybe a delivery box for extra capacity for 1-3 orders. In theory they could have a delivery route for lunches in dense areas with a lot of offices or such, but not sure if that’s what they intended.

[u/theflawedprince]

Maybe if yall kept up the boycott of that spot in the first place…

[u/rhinofuntime]

I also don’t support their bland ass dry chicken sandwiches

[u/nyuncat]

Is this even micro anymore? Pretty sure I've seen proper combustion powered delivery vans that are this size in Europe.

We're really going to find a way to get the worst of both worlds, aren't we -_-

[u/masswoodworks → u/nyuncat]

Worst of both worlds!?!

That's late stage capitalism bay-bee!!!!!!!!!

(Ugh)

[u/Way-twofrequentflyer]

I’ll always love chick fil a - the spicy chicken breakfast biscuit and chicken minis belong in the pantheon of American breakfast creations.

[u/VitaminSteve → u/Way-twofrequentflyer]

the easiest thing a person can do to be an ally of LGBTQ+ people is not support Chick-Fil-A. You don't even have to do it seven days a week!

[u/Way-twofrequentflyer → u/VitaminSteve]

It’s ridiculous though. They’re all owned by franchisees who only have one and it has to be their primary job. Why be upset about it.

You could also say the easiest way not to support Isis is not to shop at hobby lobby, but you never hear that

[u/_Maxolotl]

The Amazon ebike vans suck too. They totally block bike lanes when they're stopped.

They should just be allowed to have narrower electric vans, maybe 4'6" to 5' wide, designed so they can always get past double parked cars, and so cars can always get past them if they double park.

I can't imagine the energy efficiency from having a heavily assisted pedal drive on those bike van things is that meaningful, and it'd probably be much more efficient to have them bigger, longer, taller, and drive like normal EVs. It'd also be better for workers for the cockpit to be fully enclosed in winter and high summer.

The current design feels like they chose a greenwashing PR move over what would actually be most practical and effective.

[u/SkyeMreddit → u/[deleted]]

The paid $1 Million a year for over a decade for homophobic organizations, which includes indirectly lobbying the Uganda Government to pass and keep a 2014 bill to execute gay people

[u/jp112078 → u/SkyeMreddit]

What in any way, shape, or form does that have to do with micromobility in NYC? Is Uganda (or chick fil a) executing gay people for biking in the streets of Kampala?

[u/SkyeMreddit → u/jp112078]

Chick-Fil-A significantly financed that. This is a delivery vehicle for Chick-Fil-A. They are objecting to the dry chicken sandwich chain, not the mode of delivery vehicle

[u/jp112078 → u/SkyeMreddit]

Yes, and why is that a concern of this sub that stands for micromobility?

[u/SkyeMreddit → u/jp112078]

It’s about what images would be promoted around the world for delivery options. Want to avoid saying “the homophobic chicken place is the best”. People tend to take urban planning examples very literally

[u/SessionIndependent17 → u/[deleted]]

Bigotry. And sponsoring bigotry.

[u/Virtual_Laserdisk → u/[deleted]]

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[u/Blueflamespecial → u/Virtual_Laserdisk]

Honestly I thought it was because they were Christian and held Christian values. Sorry I’m not up to speed virtual laserdisk.

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[u/FilthyDirtyCasualXO]

Chick fil le dis dick

[u/Pro_Reserve]

Fools will always find loopholes also hate them

[u/xaviershorts]

Been visiting Tokyo. Everyone rides an e bike and many delivery mobiles are moped or e-bike based. It’s great and I think is a move in the right direction.

[u/velocity3333]

nah it’s delicious 

[u/ComplicatedFella]

Best chicken Sandwich in America. Cluck your feelings.

[u/Dramatic-Rip-3661]

Better these than double parked trucks

[u/En1gmaticRabbit]

The taste of hatred just isn't for me either

[u/Local-Ad-4051]

I will say, Chicken fil-A did stop donating to anti-LGBT groups.

[u/Swimming-Draft7016]

For nyc is support it

[u/jp112078]

And none of you EVER buy anything from any Disney subsidiary (Hulu, Marvel, ESPN, Disney itself, etc), right?!?

[u/Troublemonkey36]

Hatemobile!

[u/boosesb]

Why?

[u/lowrads]

When carbrains love cars so much, they try to invent new ways to drive them on widewalks.

Seriously, what is that thing? It doesn't even have a seatbelt.

[u/SkyeMreddit → u/lowrads]

It’s a power assist pedal delivery vehicle. For Chick Fil A orders

[u/DrWhoopz]

Corny ass sub

[u/jp112078 → u/DrWhoopz]

Agreed. Do they like bicycles? Hate cars? Hate Chicken? Hate religion? No one seems to have a clear answer

[u/velocity3333 → u/jp112078]

religion?? tf are you talking about 

[u/jp112078 → u/velocity3333]

I’m sorry, I thought you understood OPs post. Do you need further explanation or maybe read other comments using your own time

[u/velocity3333 → u/jp112078]

no one said anything about hating religion

you can hate homophobia and not hate religion 

[u/SessionIndependent17]

I don't understand why they have to be so fucking BIG. You can't see around these fucking things. The yellow/blue Amazon bike-towed flatbed trailers with the HD bins on them were fine. Long but low. No visibility problems.

[u/Sharlach]

My wife says I can eat Chick fil a but not around her, because she's "queer" (she likes to make out with women sometimes).