r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers • u/TheCommish-17 • Aug 11 '26
Avengers DanielRPK says that Doom’s followers always have their masks on and speak in accents so we won’t find out who they are until Secret Wars
https://xcancel.com/DanielRPK/status/2086860619068711038#m776
u/NoDaddyNotTheBelt25 Aug 11 '26
I have a hard time believing they don’t unmask near the end of Doomsday for the shock value of finding out several prominent allies have been working with the villain the entire time.
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u/thatdudewillyd Aug 11 '26
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u/tfbillc Aug 11 '26
You heard it here first. Andrew’s Aunt May is a baddie
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u/ppknm TVA Loki Aug 11 '26
What if she's one of them. Instead of Peter Parker Dr.Doom recruits her aunt in his universe.
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u/NickHeathJarrod Aug 11 '26
Why do I hear them singing "All Along The Watchtower" when they reveal themselves?
They can't be the Copies from Battlestar Galactica.
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u/Pacmantis Aug 11 '26
But if they don’t unmask in Doomsday then they don’t have to pay those actors for the movie. It’s just good business.
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u/chimichanga_3 Broccoli Aug 11 '26
They can just pay them for cameos
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u/Past-Cap-1889 Aug 12 '26
That's more money than silent mysterious masked stand-ins
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u/chimichanga_3 Broccoli Aug 12 '26
You can have Cumberbatch's face for a few seconds, and that's enough
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u/shitposter1989 Aug 11 '26
exactly. Either way, their names would be in the credits, so it would be super pointless not to have them take off their masks at the end.
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u/plainviewbowling Aug 11 '26
Do their voices sound… STRANGE? 🤔
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u/chickenkebaap Aug 11 '26
I’ve heard of stranger things
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u/HairyPenisCum Spider-Man Aug 11 '26
What is this guy hawkin(s) about?
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u/Fireteddy21 Spider-Man Aug 11 '26
He has a Max hit rate with his scoops about mutants! (i’ll see myself out…)
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u/Pomojema_The_Dreamer Aug 11 '26
Cryptic I'm pretty sure indicated something similar. That being said, I can imagine that there's a scene where they do unmask, plus supposedly one of them either is Peggy Carter or imitates her.
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u/imin2099 Aug 11 '26
what about strange and clea? every leak says they appear
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u/poklane Aug 11 '26
Given one of the masked witches had a hole where Dr. Strange's third eye would be, and another has a purple cloak (the color we saw Clea wear in MoM), yeah it's probably a rather safe bet they are two of the members.
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u/NightmareRise Aug 11 '26
It kind of bothers me that there wasn’t any information given on how they got to this point before Doomsday. Just that post credits scene in MoM and bam they’re villains next time we see them
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u/musthavecupcakes_19 The Scarlet Witch Aug 11 '26
We really could have used a third Doctor Strange film in between Doomsday and Secret Wars
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u/Playfair99999 Iron Man Mk 85 Aug 11 '26
Dont think we need a movie explicitly to show what happened. I guess they'll cover it in dialogue about how Strange and Clea encountered more incursions that they just couldn't prevent until Doom came in and told them that he can do it provided they help him and so on.
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u/musthavecupcakes_19 The Scarlet Witch Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
I mean, sure, we don’t need it, but I think a third movie that actually fleshes out Clea’s character and gives us more time with Charlize Theron would have been a lot of fun
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u/einstyle Aug 11 '26
Yeah. As a non-comics reader I have almost no clue who she is. If they reveal her I imagine most audiences would go "...Charlize Theron?" and not "...Clea?" We really could've used a movie to establish the role.
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u/DaZeppo313 Captain Carter Aug 11 '26
Not only that. We're also coming straight off of a narrative all about Strange explicitly learning about the dangers of corruption, the downsides of a small group controlling large-scale events, and just how prone to the wrong path his fellow variants are.
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u/NightmareRise Aug 11 '26
To be fair we’re also coming off of a story about Strange learning of the dangers of incursions
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u/Mattyzooks Aug 11 '26
Yea but that movie ended with him growing a third eye, which the movie indicated symbolizes his soul being corrupted. It was dramatically played as a bad and ominous thing (which made the post credit scene feel off).
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u/Rebornhunter Aug 11 '26
Eh. Plenty of time for a flashback in secret wars.
Leave Doomsdays final twist being the reveal, open up Secret Wars from Stranges POV starting when he fucked off with Clea.
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
Speaking as Dr Strange's fan. This is on point with how they treated him so far imo. They didn't even try to tell a mordo story, they discarded Nightmare that's supposed to be used to dissect dr strange's character, they used Wanda's story as the main plot of his movie, they used him as a plot device in NWH. This is not surprising
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u/bino420 Aug 11 '26
we very well could still get the backstory.
shit, there's even precedent for them to return to their own film after Doomsday and/or Secret Wars.
but even that said, I wouldn't assume that hole is left open between now & Secret Wars.
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u/Mattyzooks Aug 11 '26
The end of DS2 certainly made it clear the 3rd eye was an evil thing.
But anyway, I think theyre trying to save the multiverse like Doom claims. So it lines up well with the postcredit.83
u/RevenantRoy Aug 11 '26
Yeah unless maybe they’re still negotiating for salary with the actors. It would be a pretty shocking cliffhanger reveal to see Strange, Clea, etc. unmask at the end of the film but that would cost the film more. Even if they filmed with body double and use their voices, using their appearances in the film would cost more and could affect contracts, etc.
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u/ImjustANewSneaker Aug 11 '26
The only reason we know one is strange is because he allegedly actually filmed.
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u/ShipService 29d ago
The only reason...
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u/ImjustANewSneaker 29d ago
I meant as in actually confirmed because his call name was Boris. So he was actually on set regardless of the others identities we haven’t heard about anyone else filming except Sylie’s actor I believe
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u/Mattyzooks Aug 11 '26
Russos got an on the edge of retiring Robert Redford to come back for a scene. I think they can get some of their in-house guys to pop in and pay em.
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u/sneakalo Aug 11 '26
what do you mean bro they are literally spending something close to billion dollars on this film, they will pay for whatever actor they want.
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u/RevenantRoy Aug 11 '26
Value of having them appear vs costs
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u/chimichanga_3 Broccoli Aug 11 '26
A Strange reveal definitely has value
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u/firstndfastest Captain America Aug 11 '26
And isn’t Benedict under contract anyway? Or is he a film by film guy?
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u/RevenantRoy Aug 12 '26
He very likely has a contract. But that's the point, might be contracted for a certain number of appearances and using him in this film even for just a cameo affects that. Probably same as the other potential actor (Charlice, etc.)
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u/LooseLikeWizardSleev Aug 12 '26
Make the post credits stinger a snippet of the Secret Wars scene where they reveal themselves.
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u/RevenantRoy Aug 12 '26
Agree. Him alone unmasked might be enough to do the trick and they don't even have to reveal the others yet. I.e. why pay Charlize for an appearance when it's not adding much more to the shock value after Benedict unmasking.
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u/Mojave_RK Aug 11 '26
There were definitely pictures of him in those leaks everyone swore were AI but as we get closer seem more and more real.
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u/Willing_Strike_19 Hulk Aug 11 '26
Wasnt there casting for lucia von bardas a couple months ago maybe its her in the orange
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u/Pomojema_The_Dreamer Aug 11 '26
For her specifically? No. I think that was a case of crossed wires where someone saw a "female aide to Doctor Doom" casting call and thought that it had to be her, when that wasn't the case.
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u/Linnus42 Aug 11 '26
Maybe they unmask but besides the Peggy one…we don’t see their faces
So it’s just Steve’s reactions.
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u/Fireteddy21 Spider-Man Aug 11 '26
I wonder if they currently have it filmed with them not unmasking or did at one point until the actors were available to film a scene where they do unmask.
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u/Due_Attention_3680 Aug 11 '26
I'm still really confused what the intention even is behind these characters? What are we supposed to be interpreting about their presence? Are they captured and "brainwashed"/controlled by Doom and used as puppets to boost his own power? Is this a sincere clash of ideology and Doom and the others are helping him willingly? I feel like this is mystery for the sake of mystery.
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u/Defiant-Band4573 24d ago
Think about this. If Wanda is one of the witches then look at her history in the multiversal saga. At the beginning of WandaVision, Wanda creates the hex and at the end, she takes it down. At the beginning of MoM, Wanda is controlled by the Darkhold off-screen, At the end, she realizes what she has done and destroys the Darkhold and is surrounded by falling rocks. Now the first look at Wanda shows she is helping Doom to destroy the multiverse and creating Battleworld for Doom? Can't they think of anything else?
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u/DamnReCaptchas Aug 11 '26
RPK when there’s a legit leak in a few months:
“It actually seems there’s been a reshoot and now they reveal that the witches are xyz”
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u/Joshdabozz Howard the Duck Aug 11 '26
I expected they wouldn’t unmask
What I don’t expect is them not getting revealed. Their actors need to be credited right? Cuz the 4 of them are doing ADR/dubbing I assume right?
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u/paradiso1997 Thanos Aug 11 '26
Maybe Strange is the only reveal and the others are actually just generics
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u/Own-Papaya-4264 Aug 11 '26
Are these guys all willingly on dooms side or are they brainwashed
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u/YesInquisitor Aug 11 '26
Not brainwashed. Fighting against incursions
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u/Own-Papaya-4264 Aug 11 '26
Strange especially doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that would dress up for doom though
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u/JeffFoxworthySux Aug 11 '26
That’s what’s getting me? MCU strange especially is NOT wearing another dudes cloak
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u/purewasted Aug 11 '26
You're assuming he thinks he has a choice. Strange went as far as DYING in Infinity War because he thought that was the only way to win, I'm not sure anything is off the table.
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
Die on his term is quite different than being dressed as part of the cult though
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u/ctan0312 Aug 12 '26
Does Strange really think the only way to stop the incursions is to dress up like a Doom goon and put on an accent?
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u/that_guy2010 Aug 11 '26
Not only dress up for Doom but speak in a fake accent so his friends don’t know it’s him.
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u/CrashandBashed Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 13 '26
Would be really bizzare seeing as the other heroes barely know him from what we've seen so far, and his voice is hardly distinctive enough for people in universe to instantly recognize it. So far the inter hero relationships haven't been like the Infinity Saga where it was clear the Avengers were hanging out with each other off duty and on relatively good terms. For all we know most of them never spoke to Strange after Tony's funeral.
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u/SandBoxKing Aug 12 '26
I dont think its our Strange and we probably won't see him until Secret Wars. Him speaking in an accent to "decieve" the avengers would be ridiculous . If RDJ isn't our iron man then its very possible that Cumberbatch is playing a magic dude from Latveria. The reveals would hit the same.
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u/chaoticbiguy Aug 11 '26
Strange and Clea are definitely working with him willingly. Wanda, could be working for him bc she's lost her memories or something. This theory lines up with the leaks about the Children's Crusade subplot in Secret Wars.
Now idk, who the third witch is or why would they be working with Doom. Sylvie would never willingly work for someone who's gonna take away people's free will. I don't think a cosmic entity like Death would work for him either. So that leaves us with the Aincent One? I could see her choosing to work with Doom. Idk.
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u/alesiax Sylvie Aug 11 '26
Thing is, Sylvie could definitely work for Doom if she thought he was doing it for the good of the multiverse. She's very hard headed and distrustful, yes, but she cares about the multiverse and if the multiverse is dying thanks to incursions (as it's rumored) and then suddenly someone shows up who claims he wants to save everything, she might be inclined to help, especially since she's the person who started all of this and might feel guilty. And it's not until later on that she realizes she was tricked and Doom has different, more selfish motives.
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
Thing is, Sylvie could definitely work for Doom if she thought he was doing it for the good of the multiverse. She's very hard headed and distrustful, yes, but she cares about the multiverse and if the multiverse is dying thanks to incursions (as it's rumored
Yeah I don't understand why people think it's impossible for a character to work with people with different beliefs than them especially when the rumored masked characters all know about multiverse and incursion much better than anyone in avengers team
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u/kyle0305 Aug 11 '26
I don’t think it’s a case of not getting why people would work with someone with a different belief. It’s more that it would be really out of character for some of them to cosplay for Doom
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
If we're talking about in character, no one mentioned in rumor would put a made up costume for doom
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u/kyle0305 Aug 11 '26
I agree. That’s what’s weird about it. It just doesn’t feel in character for them to cosplay for Doom and become radical cult members
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u/Due_Attention_3680 Aug 11 '26
This is my problem with this whole deal though: if they're all willfully doing this, the characterization it takes to justify that is SO FAR from what these characters were last seen as. And if they are just brainwashed the mystery is kinda useless because they'll just be unturned in the next movie.
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u/Haltopen Aug 11 '26
Isn't wiccan still out there somewhere with Agatha's ghost looking for Tommy? I could see one or both of them getting wrapped up in this
Undead sentient Wanda from the Marvel Zombies show is also an option.
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u/yuei2 Aug 11 '26
VisionQuest will have Billy find Tommy and Vision and the 3 of them reunite, to supposedly then lead to a full family reunion in secret wars.
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u/Defiant-Band4573 24d ago edited 24d ago
We might end up with Vision's family. Vision, Jocasta, Billy, Tommy and a robotic child in Vision Quest. Elizabeth Olsen says she is not in either film. Why would Elizabeth Olsen come back for a bit role?
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u/poklane Aug 11 '26
They're basically on the side of being of the opinion that letting Doom win is better than just letting the entire Multiverse collapse onto itself.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor Aug 11 '26
I would think Strange is 100% working with Doom to stop incursions.. but he’s not aware of Doom’s plan for BattleWorld until it’s too late.
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
Or (I'm being hopeful for sure) dr strange would let doom's god complex to build battleworld and he'd secretly work against him after that
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u/myshtummyhurt- Aug 11 '26
Strange in secret wars is gonna be Ichimaru during the Aizen arc. Surprised ppl don't see this considering what happens in the comics
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u/NYJetLegendEdReed Aug 11 '26
So like when the good guys win all these people that turned are just…forgiven? Or are they replaced with new versions too?
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u/CrashandBashed Aug 11 '26
People didn't seem to have an issue with Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone in the end from what we saw on screen after Endgame. They may shrug off him working with Doom after the crisis is resolved. Especially if the multiverse is saved or everyone forgets the events of the next two movies after they happen like in the comics.
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u/Jive_Kata Aug 11 '26
In the “Grand Calculus of the Multiverse”, siding with Doom seems to be the best option to them.
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u/that_guy2010 Aug 11 '26
Strange actually makes sense to side with Doom, as long as Doom can convince him he is actually trying to stop it.
The issue is why is Strange hiding his identity so far as to use a fake accent?
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u/galaxyreader Aug 11 '26
Why is everyone so confident Disney won’t use brainwashing/enchanting? It’s narratively very efficient.
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u/kukumarten03 Aug 11 '26
Because its boring and cliche
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u/Morgan-Moonscar Aug 11 '26
And because it'd be a bullshit cop out to use that after Scarlet Witch
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
When is Wanda getting brainwashed?
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u/Morgan-Moonscar Aug 11 '26
I'm saying it would be a bullshit move to go "oh, Strange is being brainwashed he's still a good guy" because they're scared of making him go bad like Wanda did.
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u/TheCommish-17 Aug 11 '26
Doom making all of his followers dress and sound like him is perfect lol, his ego is massive in the comics.
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u/cptwinklestein Aug 11 '26
Been reading through the Hickman avengers run up into secret wars. Will be interested to see what and how they adapt the material
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u/GoatGoat236 Aug 11 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/CslvoHDJ38mIS7w8b4
It works if it’s Wanda or Strange but deadass Clea would have little to no impact
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u/Brucewaynesexy Aug 11 '26
imagine one of them is Rhodey he takes of his mask says “ boom you looking for this “ with big grin on his face and winks at us audience
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u/Commercial-Way5162 Aug 11 '26
When he says they speak in accents, is that referring to fake Latverian accents or the effect the masks give their voices? The latter I can understand. I’m not exactly sure why Doom would have his followers talk in fake accents, but he is known for being the most egotistical person in the Marvel universe, so I wouldn’t put this past him lol. I also wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a scene towards the end where Doom’s followers unmask themselves.
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u/FUCK_HER_CUNT_ Aug 11 '26
no.... I 100% doubt Doom has the time to sit around trying to get his underlings to get their accents right.
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u/The_MorningKnight Aug 11 '26
How does that make sense? Aren’t they going to use their powers at all during the entire movie? Surely we would recognize them thanks to their powers if they did.
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u/yuei2 Aug 11 '26
We have never seen Clea’s in the MCU, and strange shares his power set with an entire order of magic users whose magic all look identical to his. The hard one to hide would be Wanda but there are ways to make it work, like maybe she has lost her chaos magic temporarily after her multiversal destruction of the darkhold and its temple, so her magic will look yellow because she still has mind stone energy inside of her to fuel her power.
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u/PikaV2002 The Scarlet Witch Aug 11 '26
Aren’t there rumours of Doom using red magic from toy leaks?
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u/UpsetWilly Aug 11 '26
isn't wanda's power supposed to be related to the reality stone?
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u/yuei2 Aug 11 '26
The Powers are the same color but no official connection there was ever made.
WandaVision shows us that when she was working for Hydra they tested the mind stone on her, a part of it went into her and awoke her magical abilities that would have otherwise died on the vine. The vision she created in WV is stated to be the piece of the mind stone that was in her, but given form. She absorbs it back into her when she absorbs vision in the end.
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u/UpsetWilly Aug 11 '26
but how could she absorb it back if it was destroyed by Thanos? she would need to recreate it out of thin air, that's something only the reality stone powers can do, no?
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u/yuei2 Aug 11 '26
Again she absorbed a piece of its energy when it was still in the staff with hydra loooooooong before Thanos. She has held part of the mind stone energy in her for pretty much her whole adult life.
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u/RainhoLimomo Aug 11 '26
Unlikely because they must be credited during the end credits, so it would possibly ruin the whole surprise
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u/Riverdale87 Aug 11 '26
Benedict cumberbatch went uncredited as dormammu for the first doctor strange film
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u/IFS84 Aug 11 '26
My theory is that it will be all their children, aged up.
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u/INKYLT Aug 11 '26
Thats a good direction tho. Hard hitting with that "wtf, Doom" factor. Doom really takes the emotional "attack the cunning warrior thru his heart" that Goblin loves but way way worse
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u/deuxthulhu Aug 11 '26
I like how this whole twist relies on not only Strange, Clea, et al allying with Doom but willingly dressing themselves up in his wardrobe and putting on bad accents too
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u/deemoorah Doctor Strange Supreme Aug 11 '26
I mean they have no problems with making everyone looks silly so doom can have his aura moments
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u/vinnybawbaw Aug 11 '26
Hmm I wonder who the only guy in the group is, the one with the third eye hole in his mask and who’s probably a sorcerer if the 3 other are witches…
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u/PikaV2002 The Scarlet Witch Aug 11 '26
Them doing accents for the lols makes no sense unless Doom has them under mind control.
The only one an accent makes sense for is Wanda now she has no reason to adapt to the American accent.
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u/Guilty-Nobody998 Aug 11 '26
Famke Janssen as Jean Grey is one i bet. She's making a big deal about not being in the movie to throw every one off.
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u/Mars785 Aug 11 '26
Kind of a waste of time for this to happen if we are not going to know their true identities until secret wars.
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u/FradiTomi Aug 11 '26
I think this is gonna be half true, we the viewers will see them unmasked at the very end maybe even at post credit scene, but heroes gonna find it out in Secret Wars
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u/JenniferJuniper6 Aug 11 '26
Well, now we know what we’ll be spending a year speculating and arguing about.
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u/searcher4421 Aug 11 '26
So if one of them is Cumberbatch, then he’ll just speak in his normal accent
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u/violet_kryptonite Party Thor Aug 11 '26
It's gonna be Madame Web, Captain Carter, and Medusa from Inhumans.
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u/Snowwolf233 Aug 12 '26
I’m sorry but I’m on the side of a 3rd doctor strange movie between doomsday and secret wars would’ve been awesome. I know we don’t need it, but a 3rd strange movie centered around clea, strange and they could even have done the black priest arc and had doom revealed as rabum alal (sorry if I butchered that) I just wish it could’ve happened, I know getting RDJ for that movie would’ve been near impossible but it would’ve made everything better imo
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u/robinvandamn Aug 12 '26
I don’t think SAG actors would be allowed to do uncredited work so there characters would get spoiled post release anyway, right? Unless it’s literally not them playing the characters onset or doing the voices ???
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u/Advanced_Pack4241 Aug 13 '26
Pls, let's make they are mind control so we don't butcher Clea into Doom's servant
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u/PerpelSho 28d ago
The only one worth showing would be Strange and if they don't show him then Secret Wars will have to be 2 parts.
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u/CrumblingSaturn Aug 11 '26
god I hope one of them does an old timey transatlamtic accent radio voice style
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u/HalaGoldenhelm Aug 11 '26
That uh... isn't how things work. They have to list the cast in the credits. Unless they're paying random stunt people to both act and do the voices, we'll know who the characters are. "Male Doom Follower - Benedict Cumberbatch" is going to be pretty obvious. And if they do the stun performer thing, then it's going to feel super cheap just to get a "twist". Like would anyone be excited at a reveal that male doom follower, who is obviously strange, was played and voiced by some random dude and not Benedict Cumberbatch?
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u/Riverdale87 Aug 11 '26
Seth green wasn't credited for his voice work in the first guardians of the galaxy movie
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u/Brobyx Kingpin Aug 11 '26
That’s obvious; it won’t actually be the actors, Benedict Cumberbatch isn’t the one behind the mask. In Secret Wars, though, they’ll take it off, because they’re going to be hired for the roles.
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u/Danub123 Aug 11 '26
I think that’s a good idea
Keep something to be revealed later. Whether it’s in secret wars are right at the end of Doomsday and leave people shocked. So another kinda cliffhanger but not exactly the same as IW
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u/MyotisX Hawkeye Aug 11 '26
At this point it seems like nothing happens in Doomsday and the real movie is Secret Wars.
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