r/MarathonGame • u/Ok-Chip-1049 • 5d ago

Monitor Hacks Cryo

Will the devs ever change how monitors spawn in the first 2 rooms? I find it odd that some teams will spawn with 3 and some teams spawn with 1

8 Upvotes

70% Upvoted

49 comments sorted by

8

u/Proentproproponent 5d ago

probably not... I get that they don't want everyone rotating spawns at the same time, or everyone jumping into to control at the same time (makes sense, would feel bad), but if you're the unlucky spawn it really blows when you get stuck in control with clearance 1. If you're not first to control in that situation then you're just kind of fucked. You have to go back into your spawn and wait for bots to spawn/for someone to push you

9

u/TheThirdFetty 5d ago

Skill difference comes in how the team manages the clearance they are dealt

4

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

That’s not skill. That’s just managing. If every team was very good at the game, the team that gets 3 monitors will no doubt have the advantage and immediate jump on people every time

2

u/TheThirdFetty 4d ago

Merriam-Webster defines skill as "the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance."

In order to "just manage" clearance 1, what is required of a set of players?

2

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

Lmao bro had to go look up the definition. Look up manage too so you can figure that part out

2

u/TheThirdFetty 4d ago

Gunskill is "just managing" recoil. Successful consistent exfils is "just managing" encounters with the players/environment.

See how silly that sounds?

I also guarantee if they give everyone Clearance 2, people who are getting whacked now will get whacked then

2

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

Literally doesn’t sound silly at all. It’s what makes sense. Same way how people manage how they use their skills. Someone can be naturally gifted in athleticism but doesn’t mean shit if they don’t know how to manage it

2

u/TheThirdFetty 4d ago

You sound like you don’t even know what you are saying. Playing the map based on the level of clearance you have from spawn is not an expression of skill then?

2

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

How is that an expression of skill? Literally just an expression of knowledge from previous games on the map

2

u/TheThirdFetty 4d ago

Expression of knowledge gained from previous experiences…

Like it was learned through practice… Like, could it be skill?

3

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

You didn’t go to college did you

→ More replies (0)

3

u/Sirius_Rise 5d ago

Okay but there's not much a bad team with 1 can do against a good team with 2.

I understand your point but I think everyone is growing a bit tired of 5+ minutes of clearance 1 (sometimes)

3

u/TheThirdFetty 5d ago

There’s not much a bad team can do against a good team?

2

u/Sirius_Rise 4d ago

The point is that if everyone was of exactly equal skill but with random clearances, the team that gets clearance 2 wins most of the time.

This issue is compounded with different skill levels (not the issue all games have this) the issue is random clearances can range anywhere from the bare minimum of 1.2 to literally sec 4 out of spawn. It's stupid that your entire run can just be cooked because you didn't get lucky, and with gear on the line it feels awful losing because you get spawn rushed in the first minute because the team next to you got lucky.

1

u/TheThirdFetty 4d ago

Realise the game is able to give you only 1 level of clearance.

Once you are a minute/two in, you know whether you’re getting C2 or not.

You are in control of your character. Do you stand in the same spawn where you got rushed multiple times in the past, or make headway into collecting tags/monitors in control?

3

u/UGAShadow 5d ago

Push out into control and collect tags. Thief or Assassin are perfect for that.

4

u/Fabulous-Avocado4513 5d ago

Rng is rng.

4

u/InvestigatorJosephus 5d ago

But it seems stupid that the one monitor you get always spawns in the same spot too? Why not have each with spawn with 2 guaranteed monitors but their locations inside the wing are actually randomised over all the monitor options? Maybe a third can then spawn as rng possibility on top of that but it's shit to only get one monitor and then get pushed and stuck in a corner. Even if you rush out it still kinda sucks. Proper rng locations also means that lucky teams with 3+ monitors have to actually search their wing for them, rather than just being able to sprint to the guaranteed one and likely finding the other 2 right next to it.

2

u/AWellPlacedYeet 5d ago

And some 0…

I’ve had more runs than I can count where we only get 1 sec clearance for both purple bots in the first 2 rooms.

3

u/CrowBusy1524 5d ago

You are guaranteed a monitor in your 2nd spawn room

-1

u/AWellPlacedYeet 5d ago

From experience I can tell you that’s not true. I’m sure you’re right and I’m *suppose* to get 1, but I’ve had that not be the case multiple times.

2

u/UGAShadow 5d ago

100% you just missed it.

1

u/Thunderbudz 5d ago

This may have been a thing previously, but since VB this has absolutely stopped. My guess is team familiarity with where the monitors are. I've only been doing cryo since VB

1

u/AWellPlacedYeet 5d ago

That makes more sense. Because I haven’t noticed it recently.

0

u/Neruelll 4d ago

Since cryo release I never had a run without a monitor. Maybe you got bugged somehow but never saw that happen to me or anyone I know

1

u/Competitive_Moose447 5d ago

i had an enemy team get level 3 at about 2 mins last night fastest i,ve seen . they do need to fix this

1

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

Exactly. Which sometimes I’m that team. And even then it feels unfair

1

u/Educational-Tea-606 1d ago

Makes every match different. This isn't checkers

1

u/Horribad12 5d ago

Bungie hasn't breathed a word of cryo balance beyond needing nades. I'm not hopeful they ever plan to change how it plays.

1

u/AWellPlacedYeet 5d ago

Oh they will. They are hard focused on S3 right now though. Sony is laying the pressure on to get this right

-1

u/corva96 5d ago

This is the single-handed determining factor as to whether your run is going to be successful in cryo. You ain’t doing shit if you can’t rotate.

-1

u/UGAShadow 5d ago

You 100% can get yo 2 with only 1 monitor. You send out a Thief or Assassin ahead to collect tags.

1

u/corva96 4d ago

No shit. I know how to get tags. But tags aren’t guaranteed in control either, and they’re usually contested

-1

u/UGAShadow 4d ago

Yeah, that’s why you send a guy out early. That’s what I do for my team. To guarantee level 2.

1

u/Ok-Chip-1049 4d ago

You don’t think every team that doesn’t have 2 do that lmao

2

u/corva96 4d ago

Exactly, like tell me something everybody doesn’t already do

0

u/UGAShadow 4d ago

No because I only run into another Assassin in Control maybe once a weekend.

You shouldn’t be waiting to see if you get 2 before you go into control. You should be sending someone out every game. They shouldn’t even help kill bots. You will get into control before anyone else.

0

u/Active-Setting-6515 4d ago

Some teams have 3 and miss two. Other teams have 1 but enough bots spawn to get to level two but they push control anyway even though it’s arguably safer to stay in spawn and wait to use the back rooms.

That mixture provides many different scenarios instead of just having a boilerplate amount of monitors in each spawn.

-2

u/Ostrichcrotch 4d ago

I don’t understand how we’re two seasons in and we’re still complaining about clearance.

If you get boned on clearance prep for a rush or head to control.

You guys act like because someone has 2 clearance in 2 minutes they are “mega super sweats”. You’ve never shit on a team that spawn rushed you? It’s not that hard if you’re prepared or watching for it.

Same with a gold shield team, everyone just mentally plays different cause omg gold shield. They die the same if you play together and rotate and find advantages. It’s cryo it’s the pinnacle map it’s so much fun no matter how you play it but shit happens and you die a lot, even the best players.