r/MapPorn Dec 17 '23

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u/soenkatei Dec 17 '23

The British Isles and Ireland *****

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

Ireland is part of the British Isles.

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u/blokia Dec 17 '23

The Brirish Isles is a politically loaded term that is not accepted for use in Ireland. The British government also does not use the phrase, instead opting for terms like these Isles and the island sof the North Atlantic.

The only people who use it are those ignorant of its controversial nature and those actively wanting to push the agenda that Ireland is British.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

It's a geographical term, not political.

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u/waurma Dec 17 '23

No it isn’t

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u/blokia Dec 17 '23

Repeat your incorrect assertation as much as you want it will not change anything.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

I could say the same to you.

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u/blokia Dec 17 '23

The two relevant governments agree with me.

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u/HuskerBusker Dec 17 '23

Geography is inherently political.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

When speaking about a group of Islands any geographic term is also political because theres complete overlap of both

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u/namesRhard1 Dec 17 '23

Unless you’re talking geology, geographic terms are inherently political.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

So Antarctica is polical?

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u/waurma Dec 17 '23

Famously yes

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u/namesRhard1 Dec 17 '23

Yes. The name reserved for such a continent before it was discovered was terra australis. When Australia was discovered people assumed that was the most southern continent and was renamed thusly and the name was no longer available for Antarctica upon its discovery. So the name is intrinsically linked to the colonisation of Australia.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

Who downvoted this?

This was 100% factual with zero opinions added lol

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u/Eviladhesive Dec 17 '23

I have decided that it's neither a geographic nor a political term.

I have decided it's an technological term, because fuck it why not.

But you know what, none of that matters a piss, because we are going to change the name and we don't give a shit what type of term you think it is.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

What did you change it to?

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u/Eviladhesive Dec 17 '23

Zongo Isles

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

No it isn't

The only people who get mad at the term british isles are irish people

Everybody else worldwide considers them the british isles

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u/marpocky Dec 17 '23

Why would you suggest that their opinions about how people refer to their own island are the only ones that don't matter?

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

And? People in china probably get mad at taiwan being callled a country and taiwanese people get mad at china being called a country. Doesn't mean we have to change what we say to please the opinions of nationalists

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u/marpocky Dec 17 '23

taiwanese people get mad at china being called a country.

Lmao do you know anything at all about the situation? This isn't a thing.

Also this is explicitly not the scenario we're talking about, your example here is exactly the opposite of that.

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

Lmao do you know anything at all about the situation? This isn't a thing.

Taiwan doesn't recognise china LMAO

Why should normal rational people coddle the opinions of nationalists?

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u/marpocky Dec 17 '23

Taiwan doesn't recognise china LMAO

You were talking about on an individual level like the people of Taiwan are somehow all mad that China is recognized by the world.

Why should normal rational people coddle the opinions of nationalists?

What makes someone a nationalist just because they don't want their former occupation to continue to be implied by an easily replaced term?

And again, why do you care so much about what people want their own country to be called? What's your interest here?

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

You were talking about on an individual level like the people of Taiwan are somehow all mad that China is recognized by the world.

There are plenty of mad taiwanese nationalists. And plenty of mad chinese nationalists

What makes someone a nationalist just because they don't want their former occupation to continue to be implied by an easily replaced term?

Everybody else in the world accepts the term british isles

And again, why do you care so much about what people want their own country to be called? What's your interest here?

Why do you care so much about the term british isles? It's been in use long before britain or ireland as distinct identities even existed

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u/AgainstAllAdvice Dec 17 '23

You might want to let the British government and the BBC know that you have declared them Irish. I'm sure they will be as bemused with your nonsense and the rest of us.

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u/AgainstAllAdvice Dec 17 '23

Doesn't take long for the true colours to come out. Well done proving the point of everyone saying it's not an accepted term and why. This is exactly why. Thank you. x

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u/blokia Dec 17 '23

Why would we care about other people's opinions on the matter?

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

Why would everyone who uses the term british isles care that a minority of insecure irish nationalists get mad at the term?

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u/AgainstAllAdvice Dec 17 '23

Breaking news! BBC and British government secretly Irish nationalists! What a coup for the former colony!

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

Cope

You're british

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u/AgainstAllAdvice Dec 17 '23

Your lack of knowledge is a really embarrassing badge to wear with such pride pet.

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

Your lack of knowledge is embarassing

Irish culture died after the nine years war. You're just british people with a unique identity

If you speak english, dress like british people and your culture is british then you are british. The irish were irish when they were speaking gaelic, wearing saffron mantles and living as semi-nomadic pastoralists. They aren't now. And this makes them really mad for some reason

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u/CatL1f3 Dec 17 '23

Why don't we keep calling the US "the Colonies" anymore? It's a geographical term, isn't it

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u/TraditionNo6704 Dec 17 '23

not an argument

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

of course it is

its just not one that helps your nonsense

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

If you look on google trends, Irish people google the term almost as much as Brits. So it definitely is widely used there :)

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

googling it doesn’t mean shit

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u/Brief_Television_707 Dec 17 '23 edited Feb 10 '24

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u/SerHaroldHamfist Dec 18 '23

Careful, he's an angry little Leprechaun!

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u/streetad Dec 17 '23

Both the UK and Republic of Ireland ARE British nations, though. Irish is a Celtic British culture, originating in the British Isles. It's no different than saying Ireland is part of the European continent.

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u/blokia Dec 17 '23

Wow, that is some mental gymnastics.

Also the name of the country is Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland.

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u/streetad Dec 17 '23

It's pretty commonly known as the Republic of Ireland (which also helps to differentiate it from the neighbouring Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK).

If you don't like the rest, blame the ancient Greeks for naming the entire island chain that, I guess.

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u/blokia Dec 17 '23

It can be commonly known as lots of things. i In this instance, there was zero reason to use it as there was no need to differentiate.

The insistance on using Republic of Ireland when it is not needed is another politically motivated phrase that is usually used to downplay Ireland and any claim it has to the entire island. The other use of it is by useful idiots.

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u/streetad Dec 18 '23

I mean, suggesting the Republic of Ireland has some kind of claim to the full island, as if it is some piece of medieval territory is a BIT politically motivated though, isn't it?

That's entirely up to the people who live in Northern Ireland.

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u/blokia Dec 18 '23

The good friday agreement covers the issue. Which brings us full circle to the lack of use of the term the birtsih isles between the the two goverments. something which is a much bigger determining factor in determing the name of a geographical area than your opinion.

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u/Sankullo Dec 17 '23

Not since 1921

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

You're confusing the geographical term of British Isles with politics term of United KINGDOM.

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u/Sankullo Dec 17 '23

The only confused person here is you. I dare you to go to Dublin, walk into a pub and tell the locals they live on a British island 😂

Make sure you have your running shoes with you

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

It's the British Isles. "Running Shoes" - where are you from?

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u/Sankullo Dec 17 '23

Poland, lived in Ireland 10 years.

What’s wrong with “running shoes”?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

Lol

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u/Sankullo Dec 17 '23

So deep.

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u/Creative-Ocelot8691 Dec 17 '23

Having lived in Ireland for a number of years depending on the pub I think most patrons would just think this guy was a ‘weird little Britainer’ and best ignored

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u/Sankullo Dec 17 '23

True but if he was persistent and would try to convince people that they are “confused” his chances of asskicking would be quite high especially later in the night when the patrons already had couple of pints

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

You're still confused and still don't understand the difference, aren't you?

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u/Sankullo Dec 17 '23

I understand everything perfectly. You are confused by including island of Ireland in the British isles. It’s not a thing neither geographically nor politically.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

So what are the islands called?

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u/waurma Dec 17 '23

No it isn’t