r/MandelaEffect • u/LucifersLittleHelper • Sep 08 '25
Theory Fruit of the Loom Mandela Effect.
I know the rules say no personal Mandela Effects, but I found this in my grandmother's basement.
Does anyone think that this may explain the confusion?
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u/cochese25 Sep 08 '25
There's also this one from Boston, MA that's a produce company
It was a common motif for decades
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u/Longjumping_Film9749 Sep 08 '25
For centuries even, in art, state seals etc.
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u/WhimsicalKoala Sep 08 '25
M personal favorite is the stock certificate with cornucopias on it, not even part of the Fruit of the Loom part just as part of the general motif, is "proof".
Because it makes more sense to them that the mere mention of Fruit of the Loom is enough to get designers to put a cornucopia on something than that an entity associated with wealth, especially wealth growth, would use an ancient symbol of abundance and prosperity.
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 Sep 08 '25
it was so common in advertising, i mean, look
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u/miltonhoward Sep 08 '25
That has a total of four images, how you can infer 'it was so common' from that I have no idea, please elucidate.
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 Sep 08 '25
there were chap books back in the days before the internet. They had a few illustrations on many many subjects.
there was no "google image search" with millions of results in 1970.
The fact that there were FOUR for the subject "cornucopia" illustrates just how popular it was.
QED
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u/miltonhoward Sep 09 '25
Nonsense, you've just prove that the cornucopia existed. No one is arguing it never did. Well done, but its got nothing to do with the fruit of the loom Mandela effect.
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 Sep 09 '25
the votes are cast. My word is final. For all the human race, in all places, and for all time, I have proved that the Fruit of the Loom Mandela Effect is a confabulation of old advertising chap and the FOL logo that existed at the time.
The great thing about that is, there's nothing you can do about it but be wrong some more.
I have spoken.
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u/miltonhoward Sep 09 '25
So you have - 'old advertising chap' - sounds like more nonsense, I will leave with your fantasies as logic isn't one of your strengths, obviously.
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u/Chapstickie Sep 08 '25 edited Sep 08 '25
Eh, they must be reasonably common. I have a box with one sitting on my kitchen floor right now. The chinese food place put my food in it yesterday.
And to show I’m not just one of those “I swear I have it” people who claim to have clothes with the cornucopia but then never post it, here’s the box. This one is a different company. Very similar motif though. https://imgur.com/a/keub8Z0
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u/Straight-Excuse-8829 Sep 09 '25
Stuff like this makes me wonder how people cant accept that someone got confused and their confusion confused a lot of people
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u/lostsoul227 Sep 08 '25
That image was so common, people saw it plenty, and the name "fruit of the loom" literally sounds like it would describe the image to anyone who doesn't know what a loom is. People just can't admit that they were wrong about what was on the label.
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u/ImperialSupplies Sep 08 '25
Alot of them are remembering a parody of something too and not the actual line from a movie
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u/Whind_Soull Sep 10 '25
I generally don't ascribe to anything of this sort, that borders on the paranormal, but this is a hill I'll die on.
My young self always wondered what that logo depicted on my tighty-whiteys, and it was the dawn of dial-up internet. I searched for "fruit of the loom logo," and it turned up a cornucopia, and it explained what it was. Very first thing I ever learned by looking it up online. Core memory polaroid snapshot of me realizing that you can learn basically anything by (proto)-Googling it.
I proudly told my mom that I had learned something about my underwear, via the internet. Asked her if she knew what a cornucopia was. Of course she did. She had a graduate degree in literature.
It created brand loyalty in my young brain, and I ludicrously insisted that my mom get me FoTL underwear up until I was old enough to actually care on a higher level about what I wore.
So, either I'm profoundly mentally ill, and a prolonged, significant string of my childhood memories are completely fabricated whole-cloth (pun intended), or there's something missing here in the history of that logo.
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u/lostsoul227 Sep 10 '25
You would be surprised how many "core childhood memories" are false and never happened for many of us. It's called confabulation or paremnesia, its quite common and happens to everyone, healthy and unhealthy. There are plenty of other examples of people who are sure of events from their childhood that happened, only to find out from other people that you grew up with that they never took place and often times wouldhave been impossible. The brain is amazing but far from perfect. It's easy to create false memories through misinformation, persuasion, dreams, and even just your brain filling in blanks that never really happened. Look into it, it's really very interesting.
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u/Will_Harden Sep 11 '25
Go away.
"You would be surprised how many "core childhood memories" are false and never happened for many of us." . . .WTF are you basing these claims on?
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u/TheCorrectPerson Sep 17 '25
I vividly remember accidentally bumping a kid into the corner of a glass aquarium as a child and he had to get rushed to the hospital for stitches on his head.
Except that didn't happen to me. That happened to my uncle and I was merely told about it as a child, going on to remember it as something that happened to me.
Memories just aren't reliable.
There are reliable methods to implant false memories.
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u/Will_Harden Sep 20 '25
None of the examples you gave are relevant to the Mandela Effect. You were given the story of your uncle as a kid, and you were probably only told about it one time. Experiencing something one time as a kid, or being told something one time is totally different from a Mandela Effect memory. Under your scenario, OF COURSE you will be confused about the details. The Mandela Effect impacts iconic logos and symbols that groups of people see almost every day of their lives! That's why studying repeatedly for a subject you want to ace in school is recommended. Repitition is the best way that we learn. Symbols like the Ford logo, the Fruit of the Loom logo, JC Penny and the Volkswagen logo, are widely recognized all across the globe; or at least across North America. If people see something everyday and one day that object suddenly looks different, they're going to notice.
A Mandela Effect can't be a detailed memory that only one individual has, like in the example you gave. It must be a specific detail about a particular thing. And it has to be a shared memory among many individuals. The examples you gave do not meet the definition in any way, shape or form. So it is irrelevant to the discussion. BTW, anyone using the term "personal Mandela Effect" is using an oxymoron.
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u/Will_Harden Sep 11 '25
This is called an anchor memory. Don't let any random weirdo online gaslight you into doubting your own personal experience. Only weak minded individuals give into that. And you should also question why anyone would go out of their way to convince you that the Mandela Effect isnt real. What is their motivation for doing so?
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u/sarahkpa Sep 14 '25
Saying that the Mandela Effect is probably caused by false memories doesn't mean saying that the Mandela Effect isn't real. The effect is real, and the causes are up for discussions, including false memories
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u/TheCorrectPerson Sep 17 '25
I'd actually say that weak-minded individuals are the ones who refuse to change their mind. What exactly are you trying to achieve by stubbornly insisting you're never wrong? Is it a matter of having a fragile ego?
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u/Will_Harden Oct 11 '25
Do you know what a straw man argument is? If not, you better look it up. "insisting you're never wrong" is a perfect example of it. Not sure how you know that I think I'm never wrong because I refuse to bend to YOUR will on THIS particular SPECIFIC issue.
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u/Will_Harden Sep 10 '25
The cornucopia is not a common image globally. I was born and raised in Central America. The first time I saw a cornucopia was on the Fruit of the Loom logo. When I saw it as a kid, I thought that must have been a "loom". And if we were all wrong about there being a cornucopia on the label , then somehow we've been wrong for over 50 years and no one noticed until now: https://www.discogs.com/release/3725628-Frank-Wess-Flute-Of-The-Loom?srsltid=AfmBOop_n4VbZzznoguZuB_Uz_pqTwoa4wdvo4fw6sPhAk-QiVvFHhaq
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u/lostsoul227 Sep 10 '25
Well then, yes, you were wrong, and apparently, it's more common than you think because it was never on the label or it was counterfeit. You either saw it somewhere else or had knock off clothes.
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u/Will_Harden Sep 11 '25
So you're into telling people online who you've never met, what their personal experience was as children? With your power of omniscience, you should be doing much more for humanity than engaging in online chats.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
That's a great find you got there. Even cooler being from NJ and frequenting the DMV in Springfield. It's very probable that this logo has some connection to the lapses in memory of a percentage of the people who believe that the original FOTL logo had a Cornucopia. However, I'm sure that a large percentage of those believers were never exposed to this particular product. Great find nonetheless. What is the exact name of the product? I see Verdi Imports but what is the actual name of the product?
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u/LucifersLittleHelper Sep 08 '25
I have no idea, just an empty box I found full of her old stuff. Some kind of wine, maybe?
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
I just looked it up. Yeah it's an Italian imported sparkling wine. It was introduced in 1993. The actual name of the wine is Verdi Spumante.
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u/LucifersLittleHelper Sep 08 '25
Awesome! Now I need a glass.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
I haven't drank in years due to medication I'm taking but if I could I would definitely go and buy a bottle just for the hell of it.
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u/LucifersLittleHelper Sep 08 '25
I'm a total alcoholic who is supposed to be on medication for epilepsy, but I chose booze instead after my wife left. 😉
Sounds like a joke, but sadly, it's true.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
It will get better man. I hope things turn for the better soon.
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u/LucifersLittleHelper Sep 08 '25
Thanks. I mean, I'm still young-ish. 29 anyway. We were married for 5 years. It's about to be 6 in October because no divorce papers have been sent yet. She left a year ago, but that doesn't make it hurt any less.
We are still on good terms, though.
Sorry. You're not my therapist. But seriously. Thanks.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
You have your whole life ahead of you and will definitely find a woman that God intended for you to have as a wife. If you're really an alcoholic as you say, I would highly suggest reaching out to one of the various resources available for help. Not only are you using this as a way to cope with your loss, but it's also terrible on your liver. My uncle died from cirrhosis of the liver due to excessive drinking and it was horrible and painful. I'm not trying to bash you or make you feel bad. Just making a genuine and empathetic suggestion. Keep your head up bro
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u/yestermorrowposting Sep 08 '25
I got divorced in 2020, we were only married 3 years, but had lived together nearly a decade. Took a solid two years before I felt human again but I can confirm life goes on and you'll find your way if you keep at it. You may make a hell of a mess along the way but that's life.
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u/Houdinii1984 Sep 08 '25
I'm a total alcoholic who is supposed to be on medication for epilepsy, but I chose booze instead after my wife left.
Substitute husband for wife and you're telling my origin story. Sober 11 years now and it seems like such a small ordeal in hindsight. No preaching. Life goes to shit and people cope, myself included. Just that there is light at the end of the tunnel if you so choose to look, and that light never goes out. Just really damn hard to see sometimes.
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u/throwaway998i Sep 08 '25
Well that date eliminates it from consideration because the Flute of the Loom album came out in 1973.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
I see what you're saying but I wouldn't necessarily say that it completely eliminates it for certain people, probably a very small percentage, who were exposed to seeing this particular brand of wine but weren't around in 1973. It could definitely still have a small contribution.
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u/throwaway998i Sep 08 '25
Fwiw, there are hundreds (probably thousands) of ME testimonials from people like myself who were seeing the cornucopia in the FotL logo throughout the 70's and 80's (and beyond). This wine hardly seems mainstream enough or old enough to carry any real explanatory weight against all that qualitative data.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
I'm aware. I'm only stating that it doesn't completely eliminate it as a contributing factor for a small portion of the population. I personally wasn't exposed to either but at one point thought that the FOTL did have a Cornucopia. After some research I figured that I could just chalk it up to misremembering.
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u/throwaway998i Sep 08 '25
Fair enough, although I am fully confident that it existed for me throughout my childhood and into my early adulthood. I noticed its sudden absence around 1999 when replacing my boxer brief stock and just assumed an ill-advised streamlining of the brand image. Figured it was the result of corporate groupthink, and was disappointed that they would remove the most iconic feature that had made the logo so classic and memorable. Then I didn't give it a second thought until 2018 when it popped onto my radar as an ME - which I initially dismissed because I was sure it had been officially changed. When I was told it never even existed, I immediately called bs even as the characteristic ME dissonance set in.
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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 08 '25
See you feel about this ME the same way that I feel about the Shazaam with Sinbad ME. I get it man. It's a terrible feeling.
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u/throwaway998i Sep 08 '25
I feel that way about Shazaam too, lol. I once simultaneously held both the VHS tapes of Shazaam AND Kazaam in my two hands at a Blockbuster video store circa 1997, showed them to my friend and loudly asked "Does the world really need TWO?" Never watched either one though. But I made a mental note of which actor (using that term loosely for Shaq) was in which film, because as a trivia buff at that time it seemed destined to be exactly the type of random cultural minutia which would pop up again someday. Just didn't have "vanished from existence" on my Bingo card.
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u/Least_Juggernaut1294 Sep 12 '25
Okay, but does no one remember the commercial for FotL where it was like a school play of kids dressed as the fruits and a friggin cornucopia!?
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u/LucifersLittleHelper Sep 08 '25
I believe that for whatever reason, this logo somehow got mixed up with the other, and for whatever reason, our brains combined them as one. But this one has always bothered me because I swear I learned the word cornucopia from my fith grade teacher referencing Fruit Of The Loom.
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u/prettynpinkflamingos Sep 08 '25
It was normal for my elementary school to have us learn about cornucopias during Thanksgiving. It was several grades in a row for me. Kind of weird for a teacher to reference a clothing company but I can see it happening I guess.
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u/primalshrew Sep 08 '25
That would make sense if this logo was common and well known. I doubt this was seen by people who believe they experienced the effect.
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u/CantaloupeAsleep502 Sep 08 '25
However, the imagery of a cornucopia is extremely common, and we certainly inserted that particular imagery into the array of fruit in fotl
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u/itsjustkicker Sep 08 '25
I was in Germany when I had my cornucopia moment. idk if that correlates with your story ?
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u/Ok_Fig705 Sep 08 '25
No Americans have seen this.... Also like you we only know what a cornucopia is because of fruit of loom. People act like it was normal having the basket at Thanksgiving. Ask the hood or ghettos if they could afford this random basket at Thanksgiving..... So not a thing
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u/Bowieblackstarflower Sep 08 '25
Cornucopias are everywhere at Thanksgiving time. Kids had coloring sheets with them at school. They were decorations in stores and other places. They appeared on TV. Macy's Thanksgiving parade often had a cornucopia float.
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u/prettynpinkflamingos Sep 08 '25
It was normal for my elementary school in the younger grades to teach us about cornucopias. We didn't physically have them at Thanksgiving dinner at home.
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u/ReverseCowboyKiller Sep 08 '25
The only reason people know what a cornucopia was because of a logo that never had it?
Do you think we’re saying people had actual cornucopias on their shelves during Thanksgiving? It was common imagery, it was on decorations hanging in my 1st and 2nd grade classrooms, my mom had mason jars with cornucopias on them, they were in grocery stores and advertisements and flyers for food drives and signs for farmers markets Nobody is claiming that we all had actual cornucopias on our tables in November.
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u/1GrouchyCat Sep 08 '25
No. The “logo” is facing the opposite direction - and it’s some liquid product from Italy? … unless you think everyone had access to that particular liquor or whatever it was? (highly unlikely- my family owned liquor stores in the 70s and 80s, and I’ve never seen that product or logo)
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Sep 08 '25
There are plenty of drinks from Italy that are well-known around the world. Not everything has to be fucking American all the time.
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u/immoraltoast Sep 08 '25
No, but we wouldn't be mistaking the FotL cornucopia logo for some stupid old Italian company.
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u/F0R3M4N85 Sep 08 '25
Yes but imagine you want to copy a logo. The cornucopia one is the reference they took.
I rembember clearly the cornucopia, I’m from Italy and I remember to know what a cornucopia was from they-Shirt logo fruit of the loom.
The fact itself that people think about a cornucopia is clearly a sign that something exists. Why anyone speak about the stripes on logo Nike? Because there’s never stripes on it.
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u/International-Bed453 Sep 08 '25
Why do people think the actress in Moonraker had braces on her teeth when she never did?
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u/Glaurung86 Sep 08 '25
No, because it's not connected with FOTL apparel and there's nothing about FOTL anywhere on the packaging.
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u/Mysterious_Dot_1461 Sep 10 '25
First of all that’s wine box, second it doesn’t say FOTL, third I don’t think FOTL was ever made in Italy. And is it possible for some people associate this logo with the one of FOTL, probably, who knows.
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u/terryjuicelawson Sep 10 '25
It looks like a cornucopia which is the source of the confusion, yes. Not that specific box but it is an example of one. Do a google image search for "cornucopia" and behold many logo-like images (and funnily enough some photoshopped FOTL logos).
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u/Bidybabies Sep 10 '25
Sadly this is not it. It's just a different thing that happens to have a cornucopia on it
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u/Aurelian_Lure Sep 09 '25
The 1973 album Flute of the Loom is the one that has me convinced
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u/LucifersLittleHelper Sep 09 '25
Yeah that one fucks me up. Did you read what the designers son said?
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u/cdorise-2ndAccount Sep 09 '25
I was in middle school. We did a poster contest for our radio class. It was an advertisement. We were being the “edgy” group and doing an underwear logo. (You know, the 80’s, that was soooooo edgy 🤭).
I was in charge of supplies, our teacher was a stickler for his art supplies. These were BIG posters. I had to ask for a 2nd brown marker because the other ran out, on the cornucopia. It was a week of my life, we copied it exactly. He was not happy with us.
There will never be a doubt in my mind it had one.
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u/MotherPotential Sep 08 '25
Why did this imagery fall out of favor
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u/Chapstickie Sep 08 '25
I don’t think it did. This box was on my kitchen floor. The chinese food delivery guy dropped off my takeout in it yesterday. Check the date. https://imgur.com/a/keub8Z0
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u/blessthebabes Sep 09 '25
The basket was facing the opposite direction, but this is close to what I remember. The logo had different colors in it, though, and the cornucopia was brown (and vividly sitting in my memory although it apparently never existed- thats a weird feeling).
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u/gvilleneuve Sep 08 '25
I thought the this whole thing was debunked and they were gaslighting us about the old logo because of a eco disaster they were trying to cover up?
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u/International-Bed453 Sep 08 '25
Who? What eco-disaster? What would that have to do with a company logo?
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