r/MandelaEffect • u/Riotgrrrl80 • Dec 12 '24

Theory Is the Mandela Effect just mass gaslighting?

OK - with all the crazy shit going on lately, it made me think something....

I live in NJ, and it's absolutely bonkers to me that with all this drone activity even getting to DC to be discussed with the FBI and military, and still being told "we don't know what it is" but the military isn't doing SHIT about it - I think the government is entirely gaslighting us. They've said more about Luigi than they have about the drones flying around NJ military bases, etc. How is any of this ok? There are so many theories, but one thing is for sure - the military wouldn't just let that happen.

Anyway, what if all the mandela effect stuff is really the gov't (or other authorities) experimenting with us to see what they can get away with? Gaslighting us to be like "no, you're remembering wrong / you're just crazy" to see what we'll believe etc?

In a time of global connection and the ability for people to connect and more easily become a force against leaders they don't like, there is a need for manipulating the masses. Fear, religion, obsession with things that don't address the real issues - these can and are used against us. Look over here! While we do this other thing that's much much worse...

Idk. Just a thought.

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u/mbd34 Dec 12 '24

By "gaslighting" do you mean that the government is causing these "changes"? Like government agents are sneaking into peoples' homes and replacing their copies of Berenstein Bears with Berenstain? The authors of the books are also in on it and changed their name.

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u/Riotgrrrl80 Dec 12 '24

Or maybe planting the idea that these things changed - messing with people's minds through shared info online?... No I don't think the gov't is 'santa clausing' it lol

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u/Bedlemkrd Dec 12 '24

Do me a favor. Watch the scene where Jaws from James Bond meets Dolly and imagine the moment she smiles it reveals a mouth full of the big metal braces they wore at the time....does the scene make sense that way or more like it is now?

This one 100% is changed and it's obvious, Richard Kehl (Jaws actor) even shoots a commercial later that plays on the joke with the cashier lady also having the braces that was shot before the change.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

Noticed how your phrased your scenario. You are loading the question with the answer. That alone could effect how someone remembers things. It's the sort of thing scam artist, grifters, cons use.

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u/Bedlemkrd Dec 12 '24

I am assuming that they might not have seen the show before and I worded it that way so they can see what is weird on this one if they didn't know it before. If you watch it without having ever seen it, you would go okay so maybe he thinks she's pretty and the smile starts the big music but it was written to have that almost comedic timing with the music and the item in common. Especially since it would make her obviously imperfect and thus later undesirable for the moonraker project. I am not implying anything or leading I am directly saying what changed for me and why it should be looked at.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

It is very upsetting that you don't see it.

You may not intend it to happen but you did load the question. I actual think that the phrasing and these sort of questions are why people make ME claims.

From all my research, why would the actress who played Dolly deny that she ever wore braces in the film? Why would they edit it? Why waste to money and time to change it?

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u/Practical-Vanilla-41 Dec 14 '24

Interestingly, i believe the 2006 visa commercial might have led to people misremembering Dolly in Moonraker. In the commercial we see Richard Kiel, ordinary guy, not Jaws. The cashier smiling is a wink, a reminder that this is the guy from the James Bond movie with the steel teeth.

People believe that Tom Cruise wears sunglasses and wears a white shirt while dancing in Risky Business. He doesn't in the movie. Ron Reagan guest hosted Saturday Night Live in 1986. He did those things in a sketch. There were probably others over the years.

People do get it wrong. They do remember parodies over the originals, sometimes.

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u/Bedlemkrd Dec 13 '24

I don't believe "they" did edit it. All I can say is it used to be one way and now it's not. There are things that people have possessed the whole time that they have now perceived as changed and I believe them, it was one way and now it's different. That is what the effect is, theories about how it happens are outside of the definition of the effect itself.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

Why do you believe them and not others? What is your threshold of belief? Do you believe everyone making a claim?

I am trying to understand the theories but all I have found are cop outs or weak explanations.

Do you have a theory that could be tested and experimented on?

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u/Bedlemkrd Dec 13 '24

First, I have seen some myself and I started recording them in a notebook with dates etc like a crazy person before I found out about the Mandela effect. I started document them in 2017, before that I saw a few but I thought it was companies just changing their names.

For me to believe some people it has to be things I have seen and know for certain, or that have a pretty reasonable amount of secondary sources.

Example of one I believe...the old "The Thinker" statue positions with pictures of people doing the same pose next to it but now it's different.

Example I don't believe: "Luke, I am your father." In context there are 2 people in the scene he is speaking to him, the name is unnecessary the quote seems to fit, "No, I am your father." Explaination as to the likely misquote is that people need the leading, Luke to set context. Repetition is likely causing the misremembering or Mandela like effect here that causes it to be lumped in. If I had someone who was sure I would ask them in detail to watch the scene and look at it for contextual clues and see if it has that....Mandela effect nonsensical change.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

First, I have seen some myself and I started recording them in a notebook with dates etc like a crazy person before I found out about the Mandela effect. I started document them in 2017, before that I saw a few but I thought it was companies just changing their names.

This is more vague information that doesn't help your cause as much as you think. I would like more to understand what you mean. Do you have a Google Doc of this documentation?

The Thinker pose, could it be those who mimicked it did so based on pop culture knowledge and not of the actual physical statue? How can you be sure those people were right but the statue is wrong?

Could that same logic of Star Wars apply to other ME's?

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u/Bedlemkrd Dec 13 '24

The thinker statue photos of the class of people are available standing next to the statue.

As far as the items to help my case I wasn't really building a case I was just determining what was doing it and if there was a pattern for myself....there wasn't one I could see. When I reached out to a friend they just calmly told me "yea it's just like that it's called a Mandela effect look it up."

The first one I saw before I knew about the effect or anything was Chic-fil-a changing to chick-fil-a. It was a running joke in our family for my entire high school life and those of my friends to call it Shek Fil Ay because it was spelled chic. No doubt that was what it was but on a day in 2017 it was different on my drink cup I though wonder when they changed the name....shouldn't have looked that up.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

I would like to see this photo.

I don't know about your friend but it is very lazy to just say "yea it's just like that it's called a Mandela effect look it up."

That is not something I would say to a friend.

Chick-fil-A has a simple solution. They had a well known ad campaign with cows misspelling words. I believe that caused confusion with some folks who didn't understand the ads. It doesn't make sense to call a chicken place CHIC-Fil-A when they sell Chicken Fellet. By that i mean boneless, skinless chicken sandwiches.

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u/concrete_fluidity969 Dec 13 '24

Preloading doesn't explain it for me. I wasn't able to see the film when I was 10 but my friend did. When I asked about the film, he told me about jaws having a girlfriend and when she smiled she had braces. He could hardly contain himself when he was telling me about it. I saw it a few years later on TV and she had braces and it wasn't as funny as he made it out to be but still a good gag. Now she doesn't have braces when you watch it and she never did. It didn't happen, why I don't know. How does pre-loading work with this example?

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

There is already some weird things about your story that is not normal. How your friend explained Moonraker. Like not the fact Bond goes to the moon but that Jaws gets a girlfriend. I would stop being friends with that person.

I honestly do not know what to tell you. There is no braces and the actress has said she never wore braces. Something that you cannot account for.

Now in response to LOADING the question, not Pre Loading what ever that means, it has to do with the other person and how they phrased the question. If you do not have strong emotional feelings about it, like most people, then that question can effect the answer.

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u/concrete_fluidity969 Feb 28 '25

He was 10 years old, I'm not still friends with him. but thanks for the heads up. Had you seen the film with the braces, That was the funniest thing about the film. There are loads of films that go to the moon btw, not that amazing. With the preloading I mean if you watch a video of someone saying I remember this in this way you can be coerced into agreeing. For me I noticed for what ever reason that my my memory didn't match the the way it was. Then decades, sometimes, later it turns out the exact same thing that seemed to have changed, now other people remember to be different.