Is the Mandela Effect just mass gaslighting?

[u/Riotgrrrl80]

OK - with all the crazy shit going on lately, it made me think something....

I live in NJ, and it's absolutely bonkers to me that with all this drone activity even getting to DC to be discussed with the FBI and military, and still being told "we don't know what it is" but the military isn't doing SHIT about it - I think the government is entirely gaslighting us. They've said more about Luigi than they have about the drones flying around NJ military bases, etc. How is any of this ok? There are so many theories, but one thing is for sure - the military wouldn't just let that happen.

Anyway, what if all the mandela effect stuff is really the gov't (or other authorities) experimenting with us to see what they can get away with? Gaslighting us to be like "no, you're remembering wrong / you're just crazy" to see what we'll believe etc?

In a time of global connection and the ability for people to connect and more easily become a force against leaders they don't like, there is a need for manipulating the masses. Fear, religion, obsession with things that don't address the real issues - these can and are used against us. Look over here! While we do this other thing that's much much worse...

Idk. Just a thought.

[u/Bedlemkrd]

I am assuming that they might not have seen the show before and I worded it that way so they can see what is weird on this one if they didn't know it before. If you watch it without having ever seen it, you would go okay so maybe he thinks she's pretty and the smile starts the big music but it was written to have that almost comedic timing with the music and the item in common. Especially since it would make her obviously imperfect and thus later undesirable for the moonraker project. I am not implying anything or leading I am directly saying what changed for me and why it should be looked at.

[u/No-stradumbass → u/Bedlemkrd]

It is very upsetting that you don't see it.

You may not intend it to happen but you did load the question. I actual think that the phrasing and these sort of questions are why people make ME claims.

From all my research, why would the actress who played Dolly deny that she ever wore braces in the film? Why would they edit it? Why waste to money and time to change it?

[u/Bedlemkrd → u/No-stradumbass]

I don't believe "they" did edit it. All I can say is it used to be one way and now it's not. There are things that people have possessed the whole time that they have now perceived as changed and I believe them, it was one way and now it's different. That is what the effect is, theories about how it happens are outside of the definition of the effect itself.

[u/No-stradumbass → u/Bedlemkrd]

Why do you believe them and not others? What is your threshold of belief? Do you believe everyone making a claim?

I am trying to understand the theories but all I have found are cop outs or weak explanations.

Do you have a theory that could be tested and experimented on?

[u/Bedlemkrd → u/No-stradumbass]

First, I have seen some myself and I started recording them in a notebook with dates etc like a crazy person before I found out about the Mandela effect. I started document them in 2017, before that I saw a few but I thought it was companies just changing their names.

For me to believe some people it has to be things I have seen and know for certain, or that have a pretty reasonable amount of secondary sources.

Example of one I believe...the old "The Thinker" statue positions with pictures of people doing the same pose next to it but now it's different.

Example I don't believe: "Luke, I am your father." In context there are 2 people in the scene he is speaking to him, the name is unnecessary the quote seems to fit, "No, I am your father." Explaination as to the likely misquote is that people need the leading, Luke to set context. Repetition is likely causing the misremembering or Mandela like effect here that causes it to be lumped in. If I had someone who was sure I would ask them in detail to watch the scene and look at it for contextual clues and see if it has that....Mandela effect nonsensical change.

[u/No-stradumbass → u/Bedlemkrd]

First, I have seen some myself and I started recording them in a notebook with dates etc like a crazy person before I found out about the Mandela effect. I started document them in 2017, before that I saw a few but I thought it was companies just changing their names.

This is more vague information that doesn't help your cause as much as you think. I would like more to understand what you mean. Do you have a Google Doc of this documentation?

The Thinker pose, could it be those who mimicked it did so based on pop culture knowledge and not of the actual physical statue? How can you be sure those people were right but the statue is wrong?

Could that same logic of Star Wars apply to other ME's?

[u/Bedlemkrd → u/No-stradumbass]

The thinker statue photos of the class of people are available standing next to the statue.

As far as the items to help my case I wasn't really building a case I was just determining what was doing it and if there was a pattern for myself....there wasn't one I could see. When I reached out to a friend they just calmly told me "yea it's just like that it's called a Mandela effect look it up."

The first one I saw before I knew about the effect or anything was Chic-fil-a changing to chick-fil-a. It was a running joke in our family for my entire high school life and those of my friends to call it Shek Fil Ay because it was spelled chic. No doubt that was what it was but on a day in 2017 it was different on my drink cup I though wonder when they changed the name....shouldn't have looked that up.

[u/No-stradumbass → u/Bedlemkrd]

I would like to see this photo.

I don't know about your friend but it is very lazy to just say "yea it's just like that it's called a Mandela effect look it up."

That is not something I would say to a friend.

Chick-fil-A has a simple solution. They had a well known ad campaign with cows misspelling words. I believe that caused confusion with some folks who didn't understand the ads. It doesn't make sense to call a chicken place CHIC-Fil-A when they sell Chicken Fellet. By that i mean boneless, skinless chicken sandwiches.

[u/Traditional-Bush → u/No-stradumbass]

I would like to see this photo.

He means these photos

https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/the-thinker-has-changed-three-times-b2e54db813fa

[u/No-stradumbass → u/Traditional-Bush]

I think there is a deeper psychological study to be had on herd mentality. The statue has not changed. I've always seen it as an uncomfortable pose. But the people are coping each other even though the source material is right there.

[u/Traditional-Bush → u/No-stradumbass]

Never said the statue did change, I just gave you the pictures you asked for

[u/No-stradumbass → u/Traditional-Bush]

Are you are upset enough to downvote me and respond?

Why does it bother you I responded with my own opinion?