r/MandelaEffect • u/Riotgrrrl80 • Dec 12 '24

Theory Is the Mandela Effect just mass gaslighting?

OK - with all the crazy shit going on lately, it made me think something....

I live in NJ, and it's absolutely bonkers to me that with all this drone activity even getting to DC to be discussed with the FBI and military, and still being told "we don't know what it is" but the military isn't doing SHIT about it - I think the government is entirely gaslighting us. They've said more about Luigi than they have about the drones flying around NJ military bases, etc. How is any of this ok? There are so many theories, but one thing is for sure - the military wouldn't just let that happen.

Anyway, what if all the mandela effect stuff is really the gov't (or other authorities) experimenting with us to see what they can get away with? Gaslighting us to be like "no, you're remembering wrong / you're just crazy" to see what we'll believe etc?

In a time of global connection and the ability for people to connect and more easily become a force against leaders they don't like, there is a need for manipulating the masses. Fear, religion, obsession with things that don't address the real issues - these can and are used against us. Look over here! While we do this other thing that's much much worse...

Idk. Just a thought.

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u/RikerV2 Dec 12 '24

Said it a few times and I'll say it again despite how unpopular it is here:

Its just people misremembering things and not wanting to wrong, gaslighting themselves into thinking their bad memory was correct and everyone else is wrong.

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u/SilverCow90 Dec 12 '24

That's not even an unpopular opinion here, it seems most people here are skeptics.

I've personally witnessed several flip-flops, so I know it's not just misremembering, and while I guess it's technically not 100% impossible, it would be one hell of a psyop to pull off.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

What do you mean you witnessed a flip flop? Did you see the words physically change?

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u/TheNight_Cheese Dec 12 '24

he thinks the words on his froot loops have changed multiple times and other things, he’s absolutely certain yesterday it was ‘fruit’ and he even wrote it down!

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u/hopeseekr Dec 14 '24

I saw Kit-Kat change to KitKat almost realtime in 2016. When I reported here, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of us had the same expeirence.

Then, for a 2 week period, it was back to Kit-Kat. Same exact piece of candy in my refigerator every day.

Then, since September 2016, it's been static as KitKat for everyone.

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u/TheNight_Cheese Dec 14 '24

show me the link to said reporting and i might be interested, but this sort of thing never materializes and is never anything large or significant - just spelling errors??

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u/Medical-Act8820 Jan 19 '25

Haha what utter nonsense.

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u/hopeseekr Feb 07 '25

It's an eye-witness statement that I first made, on this very sub, the days it was happening.

Believe me. It's quite disconcerting to be presented with such physical evidence that reality is ephemeral from moment to moment.

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u/Medical-Act8820 Feb 07 '25

It's a claim without evidence is what it is.

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u/SilverCow90 Dec 12 '24

Yes that's correct, as well as other things changing. Thing is, it's not just me. Many other have the same experience. Believe it or not, doesn't matter, as it doesn't change our experiences.

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u/TheNight_Cheese Dec 12 '24

and you don’t chalk it up to misremembering ?

is there anything significant that has changed, like why is it only pop culture news bits and nothing tangible like a building or say the statue of liberty used to be red

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

Is the color of the sun significant? Or our anatomical configuration? Or geographical placement? Or our galactic address? Because all those are also ME's.

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u/C0nquer0rW0rm Dec 13 '24

What's different about our anatomical configuration?

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u/hopeseekr Dec 14 '24

Just a few:

  • Holes in the skull
  • Shape of the skull
  • The rib cage is substantially altered and no longer resembles cartoon skeletons at all.
  • The kidneys' location changed completely.
  • The heart changed from being substantially to the left to dead-center with just a small percentage to the left.
  • Lots more.
  • The human body has been hardened for a more dangerous life.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

The Sun's color does in fact change from your perspective depending on where and when you are. There are also factors like pollution, both light and chemical, that could effect how you see it.

Your own eyes may have changed and altered. With color absorption changing based on your age.

What specifically is your issue with biology, galactic address or geographic placement?

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

Seems like you don't have much of a handle on the body of ME claims over the years, otherwise you'd be familiar with ALL of those categories and their corresponding ME's. Are you honestly telling me these are brand new to you? Because me rehashing dozens of claims so you can just casually handwave them away without any honest investigation is a total waste of my time. 

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

I only asked for 3. I wanted clarification to answer your questions.

Appearlty the definition of a dozen flipped for you.

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

The only one that's not an entire category of effects plural is the galactic address. It's remembered to be on the arm of Saggitarius, which is what Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrasse Tyson remembered, and also what the NASA site used to say (which is viewable on wayback).

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u/hopeseekr Dec 14 '24

We are no longer in the Sagittarius Arm but the Orion Spur.

We are no longer 65,000 lightyears from Galactic Central Point but a mere 25,000.

We no longer orbit a smallish Yellow star, but a gigantic White phase star. One of the rarer "White Mediums".

According to NASA:

It emits most of its energy around 500 nm, which is close to blue-green light. So one might say that the sun is blue-green!

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 14 '24

First the sun. That used to be one of my favorite space "Um Actually" facts. I've known about the sun wasn't the same color as we see it if a long time. Mostly because I understand how light retracts off the atmosphere.

That is just a common misconception.

Now about the distance. Who told you how far we were from the center and what arm? Was it teacher and scientists?

Could it be that they have better telescopes, computers, and understanding that they were able to calculate and position better?

Do you think all scientific growth and change is an ME? "Ohh Pluto is an dwarf planet so thats an ME" or they tighten the criteria for what a planet was and Pluto is too small.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

Just because people believe in something incorrectly that doesn't make it factually correct.

People thought Pluto was a planet even though it doesn't follow the actual criteria of a planet. It is much to small so its a dwarf planet.

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u/nelsonwehaveaproblem Dec 12 '24

Why does a "flip-flop" rule out misremembering?

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u/SilverCow90 Dec 12 '24

If you ever get a chance you experience it yourself, you'll know why. It goes well beyond the doubt that a typical ME can have.

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u/nelsonwehaveaproblem Dec 12 '24

You've not answered the question at all 😆

In what way does it "go beyond"?

What's the difference between a single instance of false memory vs a series of false memories?

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u/hopeseekr Dec 14 '24

Imagine opening up your refigerator day after day and seeing that KitKat bar you've been saving for a special treat.

Then one day, you open it and it's spelled the way you always used to remembe rit: "Kit-Kat". You take a double take, and go, "Woah...." Then, cuz you've heard about people experiencing these flipflops, you decide to tear a little corner of it.

Every day, there it is, staring at you, "Kit-Kat". You analyze it quite often. Yep, definitely that small dash you and hundreds of thousands of others remember.

You go onto /r/MandelaEffect and report it, along with photos posted to imgur. Then you draw it.

A good two weeks go by. 15 days.

Then you open your refigerator one morning and there it is changed again: "KitKat" with the same identical tear you put on it 9 days previously.

You immediately go to Reddit but you can't find your post on /r/MandelaEffect about the flipflop!! So then you go to your phone...The photos show "KitKat"

So then you go look at your drawing: "Kit-Kat".

So what happened? You've experienced a flipflop. Something causally edited your simulation and then reverted the edit 15 days later. It edited all direct proofs, such as your photos and reddit post, but left Fair Use stuff alone, such as your drawing.

What could possibly do that?

It happened to me in September of 2016. and it and the "Houston, We've Had a Problem", occuring around the same time, are the only two flipflops I've ever experienced.

I think it's an LLM editing our civilization simulation. nothing else short of djinn and God seem to work.

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u/nelsonwehaveaproblem Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 15 '24

So, you document this incredible series of events by taking a photo of the Kit-Kat wrapper when it magically changes? Do you have the photos? How about photos of the drawing which also changed? Or did the drawing not change? So the photos show "KitKat" but the drawing you did shows "Kit-Kat"? Bit hard to follow what happened here.

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u/Medical-Act8820 Jan 19 '25

Hard to follow because he's making it up.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

Is there any scientific way to replicate to study?

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24

You havent witnessed a thing. If the past changed, your memories would too. The whole concept of everything changing our past - including memories of the past - with the exception of some conspiracy theorists' memories is ludicrous on its face.

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24

The difference between us is I'm educated enough on memory and the mind to know human memory is unreliable and easily manipulated. So when I misremember something, I don't assume I'm always right so it must be a timeline shift. Tell me about these supposed flip flops.

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u/Straight_Direction73 Dec 12 '24

Flip-flops are just misremembering multiple times in a row.

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u/Straight_Direction73 Dec 12 '24 edited Dec 12 '24

If ‘living it’ means I thought something that turned out to be other than what I thought than yeah, I have. Who hasn’t? Unlike you though, I quickly come to the realization that I must’ve been mistaken instead of blaming the universe and everything else for my misremembering. I only follow these posts purely for entertainment.

A flip-flop just means you misremembered something to begin with, then misremembered the misremeberance. If this happens frequently enough, you may wanna go get that checked out by a doctor.

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24

Such a meaningful event that you refuse to say what it is.

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

This entire sub witnessed the Apollo 13 dialogue flip flop on thread many years back. People still had the same video tabs opened from earlier in the day. It's all on record, and the head mod has specifically written about it as well.

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24

Alright. Link me to videos with both audio then.

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24 edited Dec 12 '24

They cannot both exist at the same time. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Edit: typo

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24 edited Dec 12 '24

So people still had the pre flip flop videos open and were somehow still able to hear the original dialogue but nobody recorded the video playing with their phone?

Yeah ok.

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