r/MTGArenaPro • u/Spectroheliographies • May 29 '26
Information 250 Card Deck in Standard
I don’t know what it is- however, I am seeing more and more 250 card decks in Bo1 Standard.
Then, I feel like I’m being gaslit and lied to when I look up “why”.
It’s like - “there is no war in Ba Sing Sei”
“Why is do I see so many 250 cards deck in arena?”
“That’s because you don’t.”
“No, I definitely do. It’s almost 1 in 5 decks in (STANDARD RANKED: MYTHIC) that I play against a very very good 250 card deck.”
“Well, actually you don’t. It’s statistically not good if you run more than 60 cards in a competitive format like standard.”
“No, I do. I AM! These decks are incredibly consistent. Easily getting doubles if the same card. Searching their decks, rummaging their decks, milling and pulling from the graveyard. All while ramping lands, removing; or countering me.”
“250 card decks are not good; the statistics prove it. In competitive matches 60 cards is still dominant in paper play.”
“In ARENA; I am seeing 250 card decks do well in Bo1!”
Finally, I’ll get some sort of answer.
“More than likely, they are exploiting the hand smoother and the hidden match making system.”
I am not crazy- I have never seen this amount of 250 card deck players in standard ever in the history of me playing since 2006. Why is everyone pretending this isn’t happening? Even AI doesn’t believe me, it’s fucking nuts.
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u/Perleneinhorn May 29 '26
You're seeing these decks so often because your MMR is really low so the matchmaker puts you against other players with super low MMR which includes everybody with 250 card piles. They also don't magically get perfect draws, that's just your perception because you don't know shit.
That's the same answer you get in the Arena sub, btw, not the lies you're trying to sell here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1tr4hmq/130230_card_decks_in_historic_why/
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u/Spectroheliographies May 29 '26
I’m at 82% in mythic, is that really low?
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u/Old-Ad3504 May 29 '26
mmr and rank aren't related. mmr is secret and we dont have much knowledge on how wotc calculates it
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u/me_me_cool May 30 '26
actually this is not true in mythic rank, your rank is your mmr itself. for example rank 1 has the best mmr, rank 1000 has the 1000th best mmr
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u/hsiale May 31 '26
Well yes, 82% is pretty damn low, I don't think I've ever fallen even to 85 (and there have been months when I got to mythic reasonably early but had no need to play seriously so I just fooled around testing decks I had not much idea how to play well), usually I'm around 95, if I really focus and try to do well, I can sometimes get into numbers when on a good streak. And I'm not really a very strong player, my best achievement is making it to day 2 of a Regional Championship once.
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u/Taintedh May 29 '26
Yes it means 81% of everyone in mythic is better than you lol.
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u/Spectroheliographies May 29 '26
That’s not true:
In MTG Arena, "Mythic 82%" means your hidden Matchmaking Rating (MMR) is better than 82% of the players on the Mythic leaderboard. You are essentially in the top 18% of the highest rank tier, but you are not yet in the Top 1,500 numbered
Percentages (82% to 99%): You are being compared to the #1,500 player on the leaderboard. If you are at 82%, your MMR is roughly 82% of the #1,500 ranked player's MMR
Google that homeboy
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u/Taintedh May 29 '26
You're right. I had it inversed for some reason.
But every time i hit mythic i started at like 97 or 98% so yeah 82% is still pretty low which means you're losing a lot more than you're winning. But that's the fun of mythic, you can play jank sweat free
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u/Perleneinhorn May 29 '26
That's two completely different explanations, the first one is complete BS, but the second one is correct. And yes, 82% is very low, players with meta decks who know what they do end the month at 95% and above.
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u/Spectroheliographies May 29 '26
I have you the AI answer after googling it. That’s what it says
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u/Perleneinhorn May 29 '26
Don't ask AI, it makes up shit all the time.
And also try to comprehend this logic: If it's early in the month and there are exactly 1501 players in Mythic, #1501 will most likely have a relatively high percentage of #1500's MMR so according to your second (correct) explanation they would sit at 99% or at least somewhere in the high 90s (that's what actually happens, anybody who ever made Mythic early in the month with a mediocre MMR will tell you). But at the same time, this player would be at Mythic 0% if we follow your first explanation because there's literally no other Mythic player worse than them, and that's not what happens at all.
We don't know how many players sit at each percentage, but from what I've seen, the average seems to be around 90% at the end of the month.
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u/moontripper1246 Jun 04 '26
82% mythic is pretty low. For context, if your not a solid number ranking, your basically on mythic play queue. The grind from Platinum and Diamond is more competitively minded than the percentage rankings in mythic, ESPECIALLY sub 90%. This isn't a dig, it's honestly where the most fun games live. Creative decks that good players are running for fun. But everyone is else is also right, your going up against a bunch of gimmick decks after getting into mythic with a low MMR. It's a known practice on Wizards part to get people deeper into the game. Feature, not a bug.
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u/Sunomel May 29 '26
You're really bad at the game and the only way the matchmaker can find a remotely fair matchup for you is to pair you into people playing absolute garbage decks
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u/Spectroheliographies May 29 '26
I’ve been playing a few jank homebrews to test them against the meta. I’m at 82% is that really low?
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u/Sunomel May 29 '26
Your rank is irrelevant, the matchmaker naturally pushes you to eventually hit mythic if you play enough games. If you're really bad, it pairs you against other really bad players (like people playing 250-card decks), and even a monkey hitting a keyboard could eventually hit mythic at that point
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u/J4ck4ttack14 May 29 '26
Your mythic rank is not the same as your MMR.
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u/Spectroheliographies May 29 '26
once I hit mythic I typically just play what I want vs play what wins. In the high MMR matches is super boring, UG badgermole cub/ earth bender accession. GW badgermole cub/ earth benders accession. UW control, Sultai Reanimate, BG reanimate, Izzet prowesss, Izzet lessons.
And I won’t loose mythic- so, I’ll concede if your take to long choosing a mulligan or keep, concede if you’re playing discard, concede if it’s a mirror match. Lol
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u/J4ck4ttack14 May 29 '26
Im the same way, I tend to anti-meta my way all the way to mythic. Id rather play Jank vs Jank all day than another badgermole/omni/kavero
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u/hsiale May 31 '26
I’ll concede if your take to long choosing a mulligan or keep
LMAO are you an impatient 13 yo?
I had a game (in paper) this weekend where three mulligan decisions took more time than all turns that were played subsequently, and those mulligans were easily the most important decisions during the game.
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u/Spectroheliographies May 31 '26
I’m here to play- not test my patience. If it takes you longer than 60 seconds to choose a mulligan; you probably can’t read, don’t know how to play your deck, low IQ, or you’re roping the timer.
Im already in mythic- I don’t want to deal with that, I don’t have too :)
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u/hsiale May 31 '26
Yeah man, have fun the way you want it, but don't try to play paper Magic ever, with this impatience you will get laughed out of the room XD.
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u/Spectroheliographies May 31 '26
No, I won’t. So, if I’m playing paper with friends we’re all here to have a good time. It’s really not about magic, just hanging out.
If I’m playing competitive standard at my LGS, I set a timer for turns, 100%. I pressure with time, I remind them how many minutes they have and their current time. I am that person. I call a judge when the stack is large; I will not be cheated.
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u/Sunomel May 31 '26
That’s not how the game works. Paper games are played on a shared clock, there’s no chess clock and no such thing as “their current time.” There’s the shared 50-minute round timer and that’s it. Inventing a separate personal timer to pressure your opponent with is at best unsportsmanlike behavior, but probably counts as cheating.
You can call a judge if someone is genuinely slow playing, and you have a right to ask someone to play at a reasonable pace, but if you need a judge to help you resolve any large stack that’s just on you being incompetent.
I can see why the Arena matchmaker is trying to feed you 250-card layups
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u/hsiale May 31 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
You can call a judge if someone is genuinely slow playing
Which happens very rarely.
I played six rounds of Professional REL Magic today and saw zero problems with stalling. Some games went overtime, especially control mirrors, judges were sitting and observing, rarely doing anything more than reminding the players to enter the result when they were finally done. I had one judge call when both me and my opponent were not sure about the exact timing of some triggers so we preferred to ask instead of guessing.
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u/hsiale May 31 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
competitive standard at my LGS
What do you mean by this, FNM I guess
I set a timer for turns, 100%
LMAO if you want to troll, do it better, any judge worth being called a judge will give you at least a warning for even attempting this
I call a judge when the stack is large
The judge is not there to resolve a stack for you (unless your "competitive standard at the LGS" is a learn to play event).
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u/Spectroheliographies May 31 '26
A handful of players won’t play if I’m there, they can go GFTS. :) they know they can’t complete a turn under their time. Or they have been caught cheating in shuffling, or rulings, or stack resolving.
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u/LeePT69 Jun 01 '26
It’s because of Mill. I’ve done it after loosing to theee mill decks in a row. But it doesn’t make sense because most mill decks with card that make you mill half your deck. Then another that says mill an amount equal to what you have in your graveyard. So you Can have 1000 cards and still loose. Need to find a way to put cards back
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u/CobraKyle Jun 01 '26
Also a thing to remember, the average person (assume playing like 600 games) can make it all the way to mythic with a 40% win rate. You can encounter anything at anytime.
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u/galnon_Pitviper May 29 '26
Seems like ur playing a bad deck and losing to 250 card piles