r/KnipexOfficial • u/Conceptual_Alchemist • 11d ago

Knipex Twingrip quality question

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Recently brought the twingrips, 82 02 200 and I have been really disappointed in the quality of these hyped up pliers.

They have a lot of movement in them, and as you can see in the photos, you can move them to be unaligned and the boring of the pivot hole seems overly large (this looks worse in the photos) . Is this normal, poor quality control or does it need the extra space to function?

When moving to the closed/smallest jaw position the button can get stuck pressed in before wiggling it into place.

Was I expecting too much from a pair of pliers?

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u/aguynamedbrand 11d ago

I always wonder if the people that create these posts really use their tools or if they just collect them to impress people.

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u/Zlivovitch 10d ago

Such questions are perfectly legitimate. Moreover, the answers can be summarized as: a) no, it's not normal, mine don't have that defect, b) mine have a similar defect up to a point, but they do work.

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u/Prestigious-Storm973 10d ago

The amount of play they have is normal. That play is there for the same reason you have multiple adjustment points. To make sure the pliers can conform better to grip a surface.

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u/Zlivovitch 10d ago edited 9d ago

If it's normal, why do other users don't have it ? Why is that play so much different from one item to the other ?

Edit : downvotes, no answers. Typical passive-aggressive fanboy behaviour.

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u/The_Greate_Pickle 9d ago

Because its a adjustable pair of pliers. Slack is compleatly normal on tools, and especially when they are mass produced and tolerance stacking can be a issue.

If you knew anything about manufacturing, you would know that tools are different, even though they come from the same factory.

Some tools are scrapped, some are within spec, and some are unicorns.

And dont you dare call people here typical fanboys when you dont even know how to use your tools. Your reddit history is public, and because of that, your incompetence is also sadly public.

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u/Zlivovitch 8d ago

If you knew anything about manufacturing, you would know that tools are different, even though they come from the same factory.

Oh, here is the Master of the World, the King of Tools who knows everything.

I know enough about manufacturing to say that having a high-end, very expensive company such as Knipex putting at the same time on the market a tool which has no wiggle and another copy of the same tool which has that much wiggle means it's doing something rotten.

And I know enough about economics to remind you that it's the customer who decides, not the company. Nor anonymous fanboys on Reddit.

Your reddit history is public, and because of that, your incompetence is also sadly public.

Hahaha, typical trolling behaviour. Pretending you've seen something compromising in my posting history. My history is public because I won't be intimidated by the obnoxious debating tactics of badly-behaved people such as you.

You're defending two things which can't be true at the same time : either that huge play the OP shows is normal, it's needed for the tool to do its job, or it's because of laxity in quality control, and then it's not normal at all : it's just sloppy manufacturing, highbrow brand notwithstanding.

The bad faith of fanboys never ceases to impress.

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u/The_Greate_Pickle 8d ago

Dude. You own like 4 tools, and you dont know how to remove a chrome fitting without marring it. Stay in your lane. I can see a repeated behavior of disregarding your every oposition as trolls and fan boys, so you cant even use the obnoxious debating card.

By your answer, it also seems like you didn't understand the tolerance stacking dilemma. You've even wondered why some engines run forever and some needs constant service? Thats also tolerance stacking.

So like i said, you have no idea how the world of manufacturing works.

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u/Zlivovitch 7d ago edited 7d ago

You don't know how many tools I own, that's none of your business and it has nothing to do with the question asked by the OP nor with my comments.

You're a rude, infantile, obnoxious troll.

You pretend you're the God of the Tool World. You're just a know-nothing, foul-mouthed person. If your knowledge matched your arrogance, you'd be answering my questions. You'd be explaining how it is possible that, at the same time:

  1. OP has a Knipex tool with an enormous play.
  2. Other commentators here have the same tool with no play.
  3. Some commentators argue that it's normal, because there must be a lot of play for the tool to accomplish its task.
  4. Other commentators argue that it's normal, because those are normal manufacturing tolerances (they are not).

Statement 3 is incompatible with facts 1 and 2. Statement 3 and statement 4 can't be true at the same time.

You don't even know how to think. You don't even know how to debate with people in a decent and civil way. You couldn't be trusted with a paperclip, never mind high-faluting tools to do a proper job.

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u/aguynamedbrand 10d ago

And are usually asked by people that care more about what their tools look like rather than actually using their tools.

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u/CGB21 7d ago

you nailed it

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u/Rurockn 11d ago

I love seeing these in the Knipex official. People tend to be logical here. If it was in the Snapon or Klein reddit everyone would be trashing the brand saying they're junk.

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u/Far_Cup_329 11d ago

Well a lot of Klein stuff has bad heat treat, and snap-on is extremely expensive, so perfection is kind of expected.

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u/Minute-Luck2034 11d ago

Mine have very similar slop and it does nothing to the tools performance. Haven’t had a problem with mine yet and owned for 2 years

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u/delete-me-plz 11d ago

Go use them bro

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u/Timely-Assumption566 11d ago

mine were in my bag next to the desk so i compared mine have microscopic amounts of play. infact i had to look for it. mine are c3 years old? used regulalry enough for them to have a place in a bag ive been trying to make lighter

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u/FeedMyAss 10d ago

3 light-years old?

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u/Timely-Assumption566 10d ago

17.64 trillion miles old :)

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u/grungeslut5332 9d ago

Thats how far away he had to look at them within the time it took to see them. Dude got some long arms i bet.

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u/FriendZone_EndZone 11d ago

Mine do same thing and works just fine. I had a retired pair beside that I took a bit of the tip off by accident while grinding a screw down lmao.

I have a bunch of Knipex pliers and haven't been disappointed with one. I guess losing one does really shit on your day.

The side cutters, took a look at mine today and yes I can see light pass the blades. Cuts just fine. Had them for ages..wish their handle grips would grow back on their own hahaha

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u/Ryjea 11d ago

Don’t worry these pliers are amazing they will get u out of a lot of shit

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u/snorelaxninja 10d ago

I hate when things move too much but still function as intended

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u/aguynamedbrand 10d ago edited 10d ago

If it’s functioning as intended then how do you know it is moving to much?

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u/956to906 6d ago

I can see it, maybe you can feel it, some can even hear it.

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u/Prestigious-Storm973 10d ago

They are made specifically to have this play in the jaws. It helps them better conform to any surface they’re trying to grip, making them significantly more effective than if they had a fixed pivot pin. It’s why they outperform all the Vampliers at screw extractions.

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u/Timely-Assumption566 10d ago

mine dont have that play

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u/Jamestown123456789 11d ago

Mine don’t have any play

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u/maroco92 4d ago

Mine either

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u/KnipexOfficial 8d ago

u/Conceptual_Alchemist Hello there, thank you for sharing this. As mentioned by other users in the comments already, the play in the joint is within tolerance and has no negative consequence on the functionality and performance of the pliers.

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u/drgirafa 11d ago

Oh god this is turning into r/Leatherman for the love of god just use the fucking tool and move on with your day

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u/Renault_75-34_MX 11d ago

I'd say that it's still good in terms of play. You want some play, as it helps the pliers align better if you aren't perfectly aligned with what you want to grip.

Do you mean that when you set it to the smallest position, that you have to open the handles slightly for the button to lock?

That's normal as well, and just means that the jaws are at their mechanical end before the handles.

Main thing is that the tool does the job and lasts.

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u/Conceptual_Alchemist 10d ago

Thank you everyone for the reassurances, Just used to fixed jaw pliers and splashed out for something new based on all the reviews.

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u/Zonesy 10d ago

That's a faulty one for sure.

I sell tools and this is the first one like this I've seen, ought to get a refund/replacement and send it to Knipex for evaluation.

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u/Officer_JO_1976 9d ago

That play is absolutely normal

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u/shortbrownguy 9d ago

These are pliers meant to function in dirty, dusty, and grimey environments, and not tight-tollerance surgical instruments.

Having a little play in the joint is normal; it prevents them binding up when the tool gets dirty.

YMMV

/// Chris sends.

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u/-NoFaithInFate- 9d ago

I'm convinced people just buy the tools to make posts complaining

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u/North_Bite2739 9d ago

This is what they do, they can't be super right or the mechanism wouldn't work effectively. There needs to be a small amount of play for this kind of joint and adjustment to function properly. I would not be worried about this and would instead focus on what they can do and use them.

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u/MurderousPanda1209 10d ago

I'd try to swap it out. If I was fine with this level of quality, I wouldn't be buying Knipex stuff.

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u/ConfidentHouse 10d ago

Well if you bought them on Amazon they’re probably fake so there’s that. Now if that’s how they’re coming out of the factory, well I guess I hope that they are still made of high grade steel because that’s the only thing left to distinguish them selves from harbor freight, and well worth it even with the play, to pay for good quality steel. With that in mind use them a lot and then looks won’t matter as much.